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		<title>Rationalists make a grave error thinking logical arguments will sway believers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Collins</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the context of discussing religion with believers, rationalists are making a grave error when they think they can simply present logical arguments to believers and have them accepted. The people who claim to “know” god are reacting to a visceral feeling which Dr R. A. Burton, MD says is an emotion we don’t control. [...]


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<p>In the context of discussing religion with believers, rationalists are making a grave error when they think they can simply present logical arguments to believers and have them accepted. The people who claim to “know” god are reacting to a visceral feeling which Dr R. A. Burton, MD says is an emotion we don’t control. The feeling we get that we know something for certain is a feature provided by evolution. Nonetheless, mystical experiences divorced from reality have utility, because for many people believing in God is like a placebo. In fact Burton draws this very analogy. The benefit of such a placebo should be recognized and respected, because for billions of people “knowing” their life has purpose is all that gets them through the day.</p>
<p>On the other hand rationalists can deal with the existential abyss of not knowing all the answers. Indeed science is comfortable with the concept that all knowledge is provisional, subject to constant challenge and revision when new facts warrant. Burton advises us to teach children there are no absolutes. He says our genes set us apart from one another, and certainty is biologically impossible to attain.</p>
<p>Burton writes: “The message at the heart of this book is that the feelings of knowing, correctness, conviction, and certainty aren’t deliberate conclusions and conscious choices. They are mental sensations that happen to us.” He says that somehow we must incorporate what neuroscience is telling us about the limits of knowing into our everyday lives. The book is <em>On Being Certain Believing You Are Right Even When You’re Not,</em> St Martins Press</p>
<p>We all must learn to live within our biological constraints. No religious or <a class="zem_slink" title="Science" href="http://www.break.com/c/science-videos/" rel="break">scientific knowledge</a> can be certain. But, getting people to go along with the cold hard facts is not easy. For scientists this maxim will be easier to accommodate than for believers.</p>
<p>Some research by The Cultural Cognition Project scientists reveals that arguing with people who are culturally disposed to disbelieve your point of view is actually counter productive and only serves to harden the resistance of believers to examine evidence objectively. This is an involuntary reaction and it happens instantly, the moment a threat against their world view is detected.</p>
<p>Cognition scientists are learning that once a belief is accepted as truth the belief is indelibly wired into the neural network of the brain. Certainty is a common state of mind and difficult to shake but there are ways to bypass resistance.</p>
<p>To be smart about engaging believers we need the help of the scientists at Frameworks Institute. There is more than one way to tell a story—making research understandable to the public is the expertise at <a class="zem_slink" title="Frame analysis" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_analysis" rel="wikipedia">Frame Analysis</a>.</p>
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<div>About Strategic Frame Analysis™</div>
<div>Since 1999, a rare collaboration between communications scholars and practitioners at FrameWorks Institute has worked to develop a new approach to explaining social issues to the public.</div>
<p>Strategic Frame Analysis™ is a proprietary approach to communications research and practice that pays attention to the public’s deeply held worldviews and widely held assumptions. This approach was developed at the FrameWorks Institute using a multi-disciplinary approach to evaluate the effects of various frame elements on support for social policies. Recognizing that there is more than one way to tell a story, Strategic Frame Analysis™ taps into decades of research on how people think and communicate. The result is an empirically-driven communications process that makes academic research understandable, interesting, and usable to help people solve social problems.</p>
<p>Quite simply, framing refers to the subtle selection of certain aspects of an issue in order to cue a specific response; as researchers have shown, the way an issue is framed explains who is responsible, and suggests potential solutions conveyed by images, stereotypes, messengers, and metaphors. The advantage of strategic frame analysis™ is that it allows the research to document and deconstruct the frames currently in the public consciousness and to understand their impact on public policy preferences. Additionally, it allows us to test and validate, through different disciplines, both the negative frames and the potential positive reframes that can further an issue’s salience. Finally, the effectiveness of the recommendations we make can be demonstrated; while we hope we are “creative” in our approach to communications, our findings are rooted in the social and cognitive sciences. We can explain what works and why it works, and demonstrate this across the research.</p>
<p>For more about framing and FrameWorks’ approach, read our Frequently Asked Questions.</p>
<p>How can you learn more about strategic frame analysis™? Click on the links below to read more about strategic frame analysis™ and how it can be applied to non-profit communications and advocacy.</p>
<p>* Strategic Frame Analysis E-Workshop<br />
* The FrameWorks Perspective<br />
* Seven Stages<br />
* Research Methods<br />
* Resources on Strategic Frame Analysis<br />
See our Products and Tools section to review descriptions of our various research efforts and acquaint yourself with the variety of products produced by FrameWorks.</p>
<p>Read More here:<br />
<a href="http://www.project-reason.org/?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frameworksinstitute.org%2Fsfa.html">http://www.frameworksinstitute.org/sfa.html</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Groups like Project Reason, FFRF, and the Richard Dawkins foundation have the financial resources to hire Frameworks to design a scientifically sound way to approach communication of the atheist perspective. It should be painfully obvious to every atheist who ever tried to reason with a believer how frustrating and fruitless the effort can be. Even the brilliant (and often witty) efforts of Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins,  and our best debaters fail to get through. We need a better plan to engage in dialogue with believers—one that takes advantage of all we have learned about human communication. Plus one that does not simply harden their views.</p>
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<div><em>[ Edited: 22 October 2011 07:35 AM by <a href="http://www.project-reason.org/forum/member/6899/">Librehombre</a> ]</em></div>
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		<title>Religions use cult indoctrination techniques</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard Collins</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[You need not make any presumptions about what a child would wish for their future to see that their right to an open future is seriously abrogated by what happens to them in the context of current indoctrination practice. Parents simply consign their children and afterwords often play only a subsidiary role in the indoctrination [...]


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need not make any presumptions about what a child would wish for their future to see that their right to an open future is seriously abrogated by what happens to them in the context of current <a class="zem_slink freebase/en/indoctrination" title="Indoctrination" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoctrination">indoctrination</a> practice. Parents simply consign their children and afterwords often play only a subsidiary role in the indoctrination process. It is easy to find religious authorities on record who complain that parents are too lax in this regard. Case histories abound of people whose parents did not even attend church services, yet they submitted their children thinking it was the noble and correct thing expected of them. An example of parent centric thinking and hereditary religion in action.</p>
<div>Let us try to envision the process from the vantage point of a gullible three year old toddler, the age that serious efforts of indoctrination typically begin. Your parents, who you implicitly trust, lead you through the imposing doors of a towering building. You are introduced to scores of members of the congregation; the cleric in charge, the choir master, ushers, bus drivers, youth pastors or councilors, Sunday school teachers, camp councilors, and other children. All the people you meet are privy to the indoctrination program and most have probably been through the mill. They are all friendly and comforting and many will profess their love for you although you are a complete stranger.</div>
<div>The auditorium where you are taken bristles with a state of the art sound and light system. There is a choir and an organist or other musicians and the entire experience is meant to impress, even psychologically  overwhelm the people in the auditorium. No doubt you will witness adults around yourself waving their hands, perhaps weeping and showing great emotion at the proceedings. In many churches, the children are invited to come to the alter for some special attention by the cleric in charge. You are fawned and fussed over and made to feel special.</div>
<div>Eventually you learn that you are being watched over by invisible supernatural beings 24/7. Some guard you but others are malicious. The scene is pretty strong medicine for a child with no intellectual defenses and a poor grasp on reality. At all times you are surrounded by a member of the indoctrination team. Questions or resistance are quickly and firmly dealt with. It is not just the parents that are in conflict with the child&#8217;s right to an open future. The entire institutional apparatus is in conflict with the child. There is no escape and no respite for some until they reach their majority. Hundreds of personal narratives bear this out.</div>
<div>Maybe parents are not so concerned about their children as we like to think. Do they even closely examine their motives? There is this presumption that parents must push their kids into church. Where does that come from, why is it so strong, and should we not question such assumptions?</div>
<div>Family Law professor James Dwyer writes:</div>
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<div>&#8220;But in any case, to see the parents as simply misguided about the child&#8217;s true interests is, I think, to put too generous a construction on it. For it is not at all clear that parents whenthey take control of their children&#8217;s spiritual and intellectual lives really do believe they are acting in the child&#8217;s best interests rather than their own. Abraham when he was commanded by God on the mountain to kill his son, Isaac, and dutifully went ahead with the preparation, was surely not thinking of what was best for Isaac – he was thinking of his own relationship with God. And so on down the ages. Parents have used and still use their children to bring themselves spiritual or social benefits: dressing them up, educating them, baptizing them, bringing them to confirmation or Bah Mitzvah in order to maintain their own social and religious standing.</div>
<div>Consider again the analogy with circumcision. No one should make the mistake of supposing that female circumcision, in those places where it&#8217;s practised, is done to benefit the girl. Rather, it is done for the honor of the family, to demonstrate the parents&#8217; commitment to a tradition, to save them from dishonor. Although I would not push the analogy too far, I think the motivation of the parents is not so different at many other levels of parental manipulation – even when it comes to such apparently unselfish acts as deciding what a child should or should not learn in school. A <a class="zem_slink freebase/en/fundamentalist_christianity" title="Fundamentalist Christianity" rel="wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Christianity">Christian Fundamentalist</a> mother, for example, forbids her child from attending classes on evolution: though she may claim she is doing it for the child and not of course herself, she is very likely motivated primarily by a desire to make a display of her own purity. Doesn&#8217;t she just know that God is mighty proud of her for conforming to His will?</div>
<div>The chief mullah of Saudi Arabia proclaims that the Earth is flat and that anyone who teaches otherwise is a friend of Satan : won&#8217;t he himself be thrice blessed by Allah for making this courageous stand? A group of rabbis in Jerusalem try to ban the showing of the film Jurassic Park on the grounds that it may give children the idea that there were dinosaurs living on earth sixty million years ago, when the scriptures state that in fact the world is just six thousand years old are they not making a wonderful public demonstration of their own piety? What we are seeing, as often as not, is pure self interest. In which case, we should not even allow a mitigating plea of good intentions on the part of the parent or other responsible adult. They are looking after none other than themselves.</div>
<div>Yet, as I said, in the end it hardly matters what the parents&#8217; intentions are. Because even the best of intentions would not be sufficient to buy them &#8220;parental rights&#8221; over their children. Indeed the very idea that parents or any other adults have &#8220;rights&#8221; over children is morally insupportable.No human being, in any other circumstances, is credited with having rights over any one else. No one is entitled, as of right, to control, use or direct the life-course of another person – even for objectively good ends. It&#8217;s true that in the past slave-owners had such legal rights over their slaves. And it&#8217;s true too that, until comparatively recently, the anomaly persisted of husbands having certain such rights over their wives – the right to have sex with them, for instance. But neither of these exceptions provides a good model for regulatingparent-child relationships.</div>
<div>Children, to repeat, have to be considered as having interests independent of their parents. They cannot be subsumed as if they were part of the same person. At least so it should be. Unless, that is, we make the extraordinary mistake that the US Supreme Court apparently did when it ruled, in relation to the Amish, that while the Amish way of life may be considered &#8220;odd or even erratic&#8221; it &#8220;interferes with no rights or interests of others&#8221; (my italics). As if the children of the Amish are not even to be counted as potentially &#8220;others&#8221;.</div>
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<p><img src="file:///C:/Users/LIBREH%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.png" alt="" /><img src="file:///C:/Users/LIBREH%7E1/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot-1.png" alt="" />The system is corrupt and stacked against children. Some practices foisted on children are decidedly detrimental to their health and happiness. OCD, anxiety and phobias, sexual incompetence, teen pregnancy, and relegation to a life of menial labor due to inadequate education are only some of the problems that indoctrinated children suffer as teens and adults. The seriousness of the problems varies with children and their circumstances, but the number of children harmed is hard to count and this is an area where serious research must be instituted.</p>
<div>There are at least six or more facebook groups devoted to ending hereditary religion. Here are some links people can explore:</div>
<div><a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10129512247">http://www.endhereditaryreligion.com </a></div>
<div><a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10129512247">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10129512247</a></div>
<div><a href="http://www.workshop3.freeuk.com/ReligionandChildren.htm">www.workshop3.freeuk.com/ReligionandChildren.htm</a></div>
<div>Children are entitled to religious freedom, which due to religious hegemony and patriarchy  has been systematically denied them for centuries. Religious child grooming serves to perpetuate corrupt systems that could very well not survive without it.  Religion that cannot survive without preying on vulnerable children deserves to fail. End Hereditary Religion is a movement to free children around the world from religious bondage.</div>
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