Brad Pitt walked away from religion of his childhood

Brad Pitt Turns His Back On Religion: 

‘Didn’t Work For Me’

 Posted on Sep 16, 2011 @ 06:00PM

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By Radar Staff

Brad Pitt may have been brought up as a good Christian boy in Springfield, Missouri but he has since turned his back on the religion, which is sure to have his devout parents disappointed.

The Hollywood actor has slammed his Godly upbringing saying he didn’t agree with it. “I grew up Baptist, and then the family switched over to more of an evangelical movement, probably right around the time I was in late high school,” he told Parade magazine.

“There’s a point where you’re un-tethered from the beliefs of your childhood. That point came for me when it was finally clear my religion didn’t work for me.

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“I had questions about Christianity that I could not get answered to my satisfaction, questions that I’d been asking since I was in kindergarten. I realized it didn’t feel right to me, that one question just led to another.  It was like going down a rabbit hole, each answer provoking another question. There were things I didn’t agree with.”

But Brad says that although he has a totally different belief system and point of view to his parents, Jane and William, they respect each other’s opinions.

“My family is all devout Christians. Yes, absolutely.  We don’t see eye to eye on this one, yet at the end of the day we love each other, we’re still family,” he shared.

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The father of six is raising his own brood now with Angelina Jolie, and as the couple is not married, it is of no surprise that he does not believe on the orthodox Biblical ban on pre-marital sex.

“My religion was telling me what not to do – what not to even think about doing. Those are the things I would try, because that was my nature,” he said of his rebellious tendencies. “I had to experience things to know what would work for me – say, something as simple as premarital sex. I can figure out what works or doesn’t work.

“I will know. You say that something is wrong for me to do? Well, I know it’s not wrong because I just did it.

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“I don’t mind a world with religion in it. There are some beautiful tenets within all religions.  What I get hot about is when they start dictating how other people must live,” Brad said about the ban in most states on gay marriage. “You grow up in a religion like that and you try to pray the gay away. I feel sadness for people like that.”

Parade hits newsstands Sunday; Brad’s new movieMoneyball hits theaters on Friday, September 23.
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Finding celebrities like Brad Pitt and Katy Perry (read our article, http://bit.ly/wGDwX5) who publicly share their experience of religion as children is putting a face on the problem of hereditary religion. Brad relates how as a small child he had questions he could not get answered. This is a common experience with children. The adults indoctrinating them believe they are too young to deserve a full and complete explanation and they would not understand it if given to them. But generally the problem is that children can spot great holes in the dogma and they ask questions that the most educated theists have trouble explaining. For example, “if god created everything, who created god?” Why does god permit tornadoes to destroy people’s houses? Children have the innocence to not feel reticent about asking hard questions, because they don’t know they are asking hard questions.
http://www.endhereditaryreligion.com/2011/03/children-discuss-jesus-with-the-vicar/ for an example of innocent children posing pointed questions to the vicar.
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An insightful personal narrative of an apostate

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It is generally common for atheists to consider that the arguments against religion boil down to science, the facts, debate, etc. It puzzles many why someone when faced with all the evidence for evolution for example would still choose to ignore it. I think that many atheists are ignoring the REAL issue, the true reason why it is hard for someone to reject their religion.

I was raised Christian all my life, in a VERY fundamentalist home. I was taught the earth was 6,000 years old created out of nothing, heaven, hell – the whole thing. I was taught how important it was to witness and attempt to “convert” others. I was taught that even bad things, really bad things, had some sort of divine reason and plan attached to them. I believed this into my early twenties.

When I was finally faced with the irrefutable facts, and raw science behind them, I let go – very reluctantly – of my cherished beliefs. It was not easy, It was like wrestling a priceless gem from someone who would just not let go of it.

When you reject religion, its not like – rejecting the earth is not flat for example. With something like this you can say “Oh ok, now I know” – but religion has a much darker and deep rooted hold on a person, and a much more profound effect.

There were times I was actually in tears thinking about the fact that there was no “afterlife” – and that those I had loved who had died – were really dead. They weren’t watching me, or having some hand in guiding me. They didn’t still “love me”. That was pretty depressing.

It is strange how religion gives you a way to reject the reality of death – which I guess does help to ‘ease your suffering’, that you “know they went to a better place” – but it also prevents proper mourning. When someone you love dies, and they tell you on their death bed that they will see you one day in heaven, you are more prepared for them to “die” because you know they aren’t really “dead”.

To reject heaven and accept atheism – is not merely about science, facts, beliefs, etc – it is about accepting the reality of all those who have died – being really dead. It is accepting the same reality about everyone you love NOW one day being – really dead. It is accepting the same reality about YOU one day.

The older you are, the more dear loved ones have passed away, the harder it will be to reject the notions of religion. To reject religion requires the re-mourning of everyone who you love who has died.

Death is just one piece of a very complex puzzle. If you have spent your whole life “living by faith” – and you have made decisions “by faith” that have resulted in really bad situations in your life, you now have to own up to the fact that these situations came about because of YOUR choices. You do not have God to take the burden of this. You can no longer say “This happened because God has some plan for my life”

By rejecting religion, you must also reject the notion that you can avoid responsibility for poor life situations. That too is a hard pill to swallow.

Next, you must reject the idea that your path is somehow guided, that God is walking with you, that you are not truly alone as you walk through life. Imagine a man walking through a room on planks of wood suspended over spikes with large holes to fall in if you take a wrong step. He always manages to take the right next step, but he is never afraid because he “knows” that this is a solid wood floor he is walking on. Now turn on the lights.

To reject religion means to accept the idea that you CAN fall – and fall HARD. It means you have to recognize that up until now you have been fortunate – but now you have to force yourself to think about your next steps.

If you have been spending your life “following Christ”, or witnessing to people, to the extent of even studying this in college, or spending hundreds and hundreds of hours reading and studying the Bible, praying, etc – only to find out that ALL of it was utterly and totally useless, then you have another hard pill to swallow. Imagine swallowing that pill as an older person.

To accept this means to accept that you have lived a large part of your life in vain, while thinking it was purposeful. Talking to such a person about atheism is similar to telling them that their whole life is without purpose, misguided, and that they have missed out on the only opportunity they will ever have to live life.

Surely one can then see why the concept of atheism is offensive and infuriating to so many people.

Then there is the concept of a personal relationship with God. The idea that God and you are “friends”. That you are somehow “above the world”. That you are living in a bubble safe and protected by God himself.

To reject religion, means accepting that you are just like everyone else – and in fact, worse off than most and behind the race because of your past religious belief. To someone who has spent a lifetime believing they are special in this regard, a piece of them is gone, never to return.

Worse than this, such a person values their imaginary relationship with God more than any aspect of their REAL personality. Who you really are takes second stage to your supposed relationship with the almighty.

Rejecting this is surely very difficult, as it entails rejecting a large part of the perceived value someone has in themselves.

I know I have not covered it all, but I hope I have helped to show that there is more to the picture of “religion vs atheism” than merely science, and facts.

The emotional side of religion is by far a larger and darker obstacle than any other that would stand in the way between someone’s freedom from delusion and accepting reality.

There are professional people who specialize in “deprogramming” those who have been captured by a cult such as the Moonies. Society grudgingly approves, with reservations because cults are judged to be “dangerous” and harmful. But try to deprogram someone from a mainline “religion” and now you will encounter blatant open hostility from every quarter. This means there is a double standard. A person who succumbs to the mind control program of a cult deserves help to extract themselves. The theology practiced by Catholics, Mormons and other mainline religions is just as non-nonsensical and can harm the mental state of adherents just as much as the most superstitious cult. Why doesn’t the principal of harm apply here?

There are many self help groups on the web that offer advice and encouragement. But woe to the person who sets out to forcibly separate an individual from a religious faith. It has to be because there is wide spread denial that the fear mongering and guilt inducing methods used by mainline religions are not harmful. If only that were true.

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Why More Equality – The Effects of Inequality

Richard Wilkinson (public health)
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The following is from The Equality Trust web site:

http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/why

Until recently, most of the argument about the scale of income inequality in modern societies has been about fairness and unfairness. But it has recently become possible to compare the scale of income differences in different societies and see how the social fabric of society is affected by how much inequality there is. Research using this data carried out since the early 1990s shows that many of the most pressing health and social problems are worse in more unequal societies – often much worse. Societies with bigger income differences between rich and poor seem to suffer more of a very wide range of health and social problems. These web pages outline the evidence and tell you where to find more detailed summaries and research reports. A straight forward outline of all the material can be found in a book written by Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett, called The Spirit Level, published by Penguin. Buy the book from Amazon. [external link]
Health, Homicides and beyond

The first indications of the harmful effects of inequality came almost simultaneously from research on health and on homicides. A review of 168 studies summarises the evidence internationally among rich and poor countries as well as for regions, states, and cities within many different countries. The tendency for more unequal societies to have worse health has been found for many different health indicators, including age-specific death rates, infant mortality, life expectancy, and illness.

More recently we have found that the same pattern applies to most of the social problems which, within countries, tend to be concentrated in the most deprived areas and become more common further down the social ladder. Like violence and ill health, they are all much more common in more unequal societies. So far the evidence covers mental illness, drug abuse, teenage births, obesity, the proportion of the population in prison, educational performance of school children, levels of trust and strength of community life, and social mobility.

Some of the relationships with inequality have been demonstrated many times in peer reviewed research publications. Almost all have been shown in at least two different tests beds: internationally among a group of the richest countries, and independently among the 50 states of the USA. We should emphasise that when we talk about the effects of inequality that we do not mean the effects of poverty or low average incomes.
Big differences, everyone affected

One of the most striking and important features of these relationships is that the differences in the prevalence of the various social problems are so large. Some are two or three times as common in more unequal societies, but others are as much as ten times as common. The evidence suggests that this is partly because inequality affects the vast majority of the population – not just the poorest.

Finally, it tends to be the same societies which do well on each of the different outcomes just as it is the same ones which do badly. Because inequality affects so many different outcomes, if you know that a society does badly – for instance – on health, it is likely that it also does badly on a wide range of social problems: it probably has high levels of violence, high teen birth rates, a high prison population, lower levels of trust, more obesity, and a bigger drug problem. It looks as if societies with large income inequalities become socially dysfunctional.

Overviews of the bare facts and statistical evidence can be found in:-

Wilkinson RG, Pickett KE. Income inequality and health: a review and explanation of the evidence. Social Science and Medicine 2006; 62: 1768-84. [PDF]

A fuller discussion of the evidence and of the causal social processes through which inequality has these effects can be found in:-

Wilkinson RG. The Impact of Inequality: how to make sick societies healthier. Published in USA by New Press, New York, and in the UK by Routledge, London, 2005

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Children afraid to tell their parents

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http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/godless-in-tucson/Content?oid=1086115

Annie and Brandon Kelly, both 26, are a married couple who grew up in evangelical families. They both now call themselves atheists. Their parents have not officially been told.

The Weekly met with the Kellys outside a shuttered café near the University of Arizona, where they’re both graduate students. Brandon, who was wearing a striped polo shirt, had a solemn demeanor. Tattoos festooned Annie’s arm; she also sported black fingernails, a nose piercing and dangly earrings.

They got married about five years ago in a “Christian, very religious wedding,” Annie said. Three years ago, after moving to Tucson from Michigan, they started questioning. They put a name to their new worldview last year.

“Getting past that initial step of actually being honest with yourself and saying, ‘OK, I really don’t believe in my religion anymore; I really don’t consider myself a Christian anymore,’ is probably the hardest step to get over,” Brandon said. “For a long time, I sort of–on an intellectual level–didn’t really believe it anymore. At the same time, when you grew up with it, and you’re told, ‘Be a Christian; it’s part of your identity, and everyone else is Christian, too,’ it’s very hard not to believe it anymore.”

“It’s scary to start questioning it, and be like, ‘I don’t know if I believe this anymore,’” Annie said. “And you start feeling guilty that you’re not as strong a believer as some other people.

“I kind of had the assumption that if you’re not a Christian,” Annie said, “there’s no reason to want to be a good person. But when I finally came to the realization that I can still be a good person, I can want to live a good life, there doesn’t have to be a reason for me to be a good person–if that makes sense–then I became more comfortable.”

With a state of mind that sounds similar to the one experienced by homosexuals when they come out of the closet, Annie and Brandon haven’t had the “very special talk” about atheism with their parents; the couple thinks they’ll be be disappointed when they get the official word. Mom and dad undoubtedly know on some level, but the negative (atheism) is downplayed while the positive (the potential for their return to the fold) is accentuated, Annie said.

“My parents will be like, ‘Where did I go wrong?’” she continued. “My mom will probably say that she didn’t do this enough for me, maybe she wasn’t in contact enough for me, maybe she didn’t send me enough books–which she did. I still have all the books sitting on my bookshelf. It’ll be a big disappointment.”

Brandon added: “I think also that both of our parents will blame the spouse to a certain extent. But it’s not easy to bring it up. It just hasn’t really come up, and it’s been such a gradual process for us. It wasn’t like we woke up one day and were like, ‘Oh, we’re atheists.’ They don’t really make a card for it.”

The experience of Annie and Brandon Kelly is typical of the personal stories you read on exChristian.net of people recovering from religion. A common thread running through these “true confessions” is that many children dread telling their parents. Depending upon how insular their faith community was, leaving can be a wrenching, depressing experience that they face alone. The church and the people they have known all their lives are often the newly converted apostate’s only friends. Since leaving is seen as disloyal and a betrayal, their friends often abandon them. Millions of people leave a faith community every year and the pain they suffer is one of the dark shameful secrets that goes unrevealed in the major media and that is systematically covered up by the churches. Parents do not seem to look this far ahead when they consign their children to the control program used to trap and keep children in the fold. If they knew what lay ahead, would it make them at least stop and hesitate before consigning their children? Joining a faith community is a private decision for an adult to make based on their freedom of conscience.

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Want to shake off your faith? Try reading your Bible…

I have always thought that perhaps if more Christians actually read their Bible closely they would be less inclined to be Christians, given some of the stuff that is in there.

theBEattitude writes how 32 years of being indoctrinated into Christianity suddenly came crumbling down when he examined more obscure parts of the Bible in more modern translations:

About eight years ago I purchased a New Living Translation Bible (NLT). I viewed this as a great resource since the verses were so much easier to read and interpret. About a year ago I wanted to deepen my Biblical literacy. So I began reading and studying many books of the Old Testament I had always ignored in my King James Bible.

Thus began my slow rejection of the Christian faith. As I studied the many horrific and ridiculous teachings, I soon realized that I had wasted 32 years of my life believing in a fairy tale. Churches do a great job of ignoring the ugly parts of the Bible. And with the book written in a confusing ancient dialect, it makes their job easy. (more…)

So, maybe the Bible itself is the best cure for Christian indoctrination. If anything, we can marvel at the sheer irony of this and congratulate theBeattitude for having the courage to reject Christianity despite the intense family and social pressures to conform.

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