You cannot end the religious indoctrination of vulnerable children

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People argue that parents and religious entities will not cease the practice of preying on vulnerable children to maintain their tribes. Religious indoctrination of children has been going on for centuries and is a universal phenomenon. Like child battering, it is a syndrome protected by an extensive protective meme complex. Parents were most likely indoctrinated, making them excellent practitioners of childhood religious grooming. They know all the techniques and evasions to use on their own kids. Likewise, adults who were physically punished will strenuously defend this cruel treatment and turn around and physically punish their own children.
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Have our minds become wrecks?

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“I am satisfied the good sense of the people is the strongest army our government can ever have, and that it will not fail them.” –Thomas Jefferson to William Carmichael, 1786. ME 6:31
“We believed that men, enjoying in ease and security the full fruits of their own industry, enlisted by all their interests on the side of law and order, habituated to think for themselves and to follow their reason as their guide, would be more easily and safely governed than with minds nourished in error and vitiated and debased… by ignorance, indigence and oppression.” –Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823. ME 15:441
“This blessed country of free inquiry and belief has surrendered its creed and conscience to neither kings nor priests.” –Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Waterhouse, 1822. ME 15:385
“Truth and reason are eternal. They have prevailed. And they will eternally prevail; however, in times and places they may be overborne for a while by violence, military, civil, or ecclesiastical.” –Thomas Jefferson to Rev. Samuel Knox, 1810. ME 12:360
“Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck.” –Thomas Jefferson to James Smith, 1822. ME 15:409
“I have so much confidence in the good sense of man, and his qualifications for self-government, that I am never afraid of the issue where reason is left free to exert her force.” –Thomas Jefferson to Comte Diodati, 1789. Papers 15:326
Flash forward
However, religious entities have historically fought vigorously against reason. To succeed they developed many direct and indirect tactics to discredit reason.
Blogger Ebon Musings writes how religion fights rational thought:
“Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.”
–Proverbs 3:5 (KJV)“Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ…”
–2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV)“The Bible is preserved, reliable, and true because of the nature of its Author. It should be believed over observation and evidence.”
–Kurt Wise, Faith, Form, and Time, p.26. Broadman & Holman Publishers, Nashville, TN, 2002.“Should a conflict arise between the witness of the Holy Spirit to the fundamental truth of the Christian faith and beliefs based on argument and evidence, then it is the former which must take precedence over the latter, not vice versa.”
–William Lane Craig, Reasonable Faith: Christian Truth and Apologetics, p. 36. Crossway Books, Wheaton, IL, 1994 (revised edition).“If the conclusions contradict the Word of God, the conclusions are wrong, no matter how many scientific facts may appear to back them.”
–Tom Porch and Brad Batdorf, Biology for Christian Schools (3rd edition). BJU Press, 2004. Available online at BJU Press.“By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record.”
–From Answers in Genesis’ “Statement of Faith” (available online at http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/about/faith.asp)“To be right in everything, we ought always to hold that the white which I see, is black, if the Hierarchical Church so decides it…”
–Ignatius of Loyola, “Spiritual Exercises” (available online at http://www.ccel.org/ccel/ignatius/exercises.html)“After ten years (in prison in Siberia), [Dostoevsky] emerged from exile with unshakable Christian convictions, as expressed in one famous passage, ‘If anyone proved to me that Christ was outside the truth… then I would prefer to remain with Christ than with the truth.’”
–Philip Yancey, The Jesus I Never Knew, p. 141. Zondervan Books, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1995.The last, most pernicious and most powerful meme used by religions to control the thoughts of their followers is the belief that a person’s faith takes priority over the facts of the external world when it comes to deciding what is true. This belief lies at the heart of most religions and could justifiably be considered the defining characteristic that sets them apart from all other systems of thought. And although not all religious individuals or groups would state this as plainly as the above quotes illuminate, it is present nevertheless.
Consider the message that these statements convey. The first three, from Christian apologists Kurt Wise and William Lane Craig and a biology textbook used in some Christian schools, state that the authors’ version of Christianity should be believed over any evidence a believer might see or any arguments they might hear – in short, that facts, reason and logic are ultimately unimportant when it comes to deciding what is true. The fourth quote, from the creationist organization Answers in Genesis, declares that any evidence that contradicts their interpretation of the Bible is by definition invalid – as if the very concept of truth, in these creationists’ minds, was redefined to read, “Truth, noun: See ‘Bible’”. And the last two excerpts go even farther: the quote from Ignatius of Loyola instructs believers to disregard even the evidence of their own eyes if it contradicts what they have been taught to believe, while the one from Dostoevsky states that he would not give up his religious beliefs even if they could be shown to be false. This message is cleverly reinforced in the Bible and other holy books by stories such as Abraham’s near sacrifice of Isaac, Daniel in the lion’s den, or David and Goliath – all of which convey the message that the impossible can and will happen if only one keeps the faith and does not doubt God.
And this distorted dogmatic way of slavish thinking is dutifully passed from parent to child down through the generations. Should there be any doubt that this is the source of so much bigotry, stupidity, and ignorance in our society? Imagine any other group of people deliberately disabusing children from using evidence and logic in their lives. There would be loud protests and demands that it stop. But religion, that is different. Almost any harmful practice the clerics care to foist on children gets a pass.
We are a country ruled by citizens that the founders envisioned as educated and engaged. Is that what we see now when kids cannot identify the three branches of our government, but can name the judges on American Idol? Why did civics get cut from the curriculum in so many schools? Who allowed unregulated sham home schools to sequester one million kids and subject them to lies about our history and gross distortions of science, principally evolution, but geology, anthropology and many others.
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Recommended Reading

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They both feed on emotional appeals and they both employ propaganda that distorts history, and plays up to the native fears and prejudice of the uneducated. They both distort reality with deliberate lies. Christian nationalism in the USA (and possibly in Australia and Canada) has morphed into Christian fascism in recent decades. Christian fascists are implementing a bold plan using childhood indoctrination to raise a fifth column in the USA that will seize power during a crisis. In light of the recent near collapse of the financial markets and the huge losses families have suffered, the willingness to blame fascists is hard to resist. Especially since the unceasing drum beat from the extremists on the right has been all about destroying the government. America seethes with anger and hatred in all quarters.
By Jeff Sharlet
“We keep trying to explain away American fundamentalism. Those of us not engaged personally or emotionally in the biggest political and cultural movement of our times—those on the sidelines of history—keep trying to come up with theories with which to discredit the evident allure of this punishing yet oddly comforting idea of a deity, this strange god. His invisible hand is everywhere, say His citizen-theologians, caressing and fixing every outcome: Little League games, job searches, test scores, the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, the success or failure of terrorist attacks (also known as “signs”), victory or defeat in battle, at the ballot box, in bed. Those unable to feel His soothing touch at moments such as these snort at the notion of a god with the patience or the prurience to monitor every tick and twitch of desire, a supreme being able to make a lion and a lamb cuddle but unable to abide two men kissing. A divine love that speaks through hurricanes. Who would worship such a god? His followers must be dupes, or saps, or fools, their faith illiterate, insane, or misinformed, their strength fleeting, hollow, an aberration. A burp in American history. An unpleasant odor that will pass.
Harpers, Through a Glass Darkly How the Christian Right is Reimagining American History
Other books:
American Fascists The Christian Right and The War on America, by Chris Hedges
Kingdom Coming by Michelle Goldberg
American Theocracy: The Peril and Politics of Radical Religion, Oil, and Borrowed Money in the 21stCentury by Kevin Philips
Roads to Dominion, Right-Wing Movements and Political Power in the United States, by Sara Diamond
The Fundamentals of Extremism, The Christian Right in America, Ed. Kimberly Blaker
My Amazon Wish List:
Reports on the web include:
www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm#_edn14
www.publiceye.org/magazine/v19n3/clarkson_dominionism.html
www.theocracywatch.org/chris_hedges_nov24_04.htm
www.talk2action.org/story/2008/1/5/155457/0298
www.harpers.org/archive/2006/12/0081322
http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v19n3/clarkson_dominionism.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7422542 Is America Too Damn Religious, NPR
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- Good As You
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- Max Blumenthal
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- Religious Right Watch
- State of Belief
- Talk To Action
- YAF Watch
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- Box Turtle Bulletin
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- DownWithTyranny!
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- Glenn Greenwald
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Salvation is not a legitimate argument for indoctrinating children
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For centuries parents have been persuaded to consign their children to their personal faith because they believed the marketing pitch that raising their children in their faith was necessary. Leaving aside the purported benefits of moral training, the goal was to provide a guaranteed shot at heaven. Prior to Ignatius Loyola there didn’t seem to be any concentrated effort to groom children. Perhaps they were just assumed to follow their parents into heaven because in the middle ages children were actually considered to be part of their parents. Supposedly the path to hell was likewise the kids destiny depending on where the parents wound up. That would be interesting to research. Questions like this are what makes dogma so absurd and full of contradictions and inconsistencies.
Opinion makers working for marketers serving religious institutions, long ago learned that families with children make the best financial supporters. They are more apt to be faithful in their attendance and generous with their wallets. After all, what parent is going to be a cheapskate when the goal is eternal salvation of their children? They must think of it as an investment.
If this sounds cynical, it is because it is cynical, but the cynicism is on the part of the institutions who manipulate parents. Promises of eternal life are without any kind of substantiation. No one knows what happens when you die and anyone who says they know is either deluded or a liar. Don’t let them near your money.
Mormons carry this family togetherness thing to ridiculous lengths going so far as posthumous baptism. They hold “sealing” ceremonies for dead family members they have never met or known. Such family members are simply an entry in a genealogy record and many had extremely brief lives in the old days. Nonetheless, they get a shot at heaven they might otherwise not have had.
When challenged over the act of grooming their children, the Christians seem to believe they have an ironclad argument. To wit: I am simply insuring my child is eligible for salvation and we intend to keep the family intact after death. If the children were not raised in the faith of their parents who knows how they might end up in heaven or if they would even be saved. Suppose the child wants to be a Buddhist? How do you explain that to the grandparents?
On the surface all this concern with salvation sounds noble enough, but on closer inspection, the argument fails because the parents are using religious dogma about salvation to support a temporal scheme that has temporal ramifications. In our law you cannot justify harmful personal actions based on theology, no matter the motive. If you stop and think about this the reason why becomes abundantly clear. The most serious temporal ramification can be a lifetime of mental stress and anxiety that is directly the result of the fear mongering and guilt heaped on children. Christine O’Donnell and her amusing, but sad concepts about masturbation is a bizarre manifestation of sexual ignorance combined with guilt resulting from her Christian upbringing.
Suppose parents have a child that is gravely ill with an incurable illness. They are heartbroken that the child is going to die so they decide to put them out of their misery and hide the body. The fact they attempt to cover up the crime is an admission they know what they did was a crime. Yet when the crime is discovered and they are hauled into court they defend themselves claiming they wanted to send the child to a better place, heaven. Many of their co-religionists might agree they acted humanely and in the child’s best interests. Does the court agree?
No, most assuredly not. The parents may get a lenient sentence, but they will do some time. Their defense fails because religious dogma has no place in a court of law. Likewise, consigning non consenting immature children to a program of religious child grooming that has risks to their mental health should fail for the same reason a mercy killing fails. Temporal acts have temporal consequences and that is all the law is permitted to evaluate.
An adult can examine all the prospects and responsibilities of becoming this or that religious follower. If fully informed and of sound mind they are free to embark on a supernatural quest for eternal life if that is their desire. Because, when you boil it all down, the advantages of fellowship and the opportunity to do charitable works are worthy, albeit side benefits of being a Christian. The ultimate goal is to cheat death. Lacking the salvation feature it is hard to see Christianity surviving in the modern age.
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