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		<title>By: librehombre</title>
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		<dc:creator>librehombre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 04:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think social scientists believe that couples that stay happily married provide stability to their communities and extended family. It is not a moral issue except to religious people who believe marriage is to last for all eternity. Secular people are ambivalent I would think, but most probably would prefer long lasting relationships just as a practical matter. Emotionally. breaking up is always hard to do.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think social scientists believe that couples that stay happily married provide stability to their communities and extended family. It is not a moral issue except to religious people who believe marriage is to last for all eternity. Secular people are ambivalent I would think, but most probably would prefer long lasting relationships just as a practical matter. Emotionally. breaking up is always hard to do.</p>
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		<title>By: ravishingrandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ravishingrandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Aug 2011 02:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are we assumming that a low divorce rate is a moral or good thing? A higher divorce rate might actually be better, if the couple is staying married and misrerable because of thier belief system how can that be the good or moral thing to do? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are we assumming that a low divorce rate is a moral or good thing? A higher divorce rate might actually be better, if the couple is staying married and misrerable because of thier belief system how can that be the good or moral thing to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scroll up and read Richard&#039;s data, please. And note that his data that come from a neutral source, while yours come from &quot;Vox Day is a Christian libertarian opinion columnist whose latest book is &quot;The Irrational Atheist.&quot; &quot; Hardly unbiased. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scroll up and read Richard&#039;s data, please. And note that his data that come from a neutral source, while yours come from &quot;Vox Day is a Christian libertarian opinion columnist whose latest book is &quot;The Irrational Atheist.&quot; &quot; Hardly unbiased.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard_Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard_Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask and you shall receive. Just about any organization that has measured divorce rates has concluded the rate is highest in the bible belt. There are reams of data on this and the reasons are pretty well understood. Here is something to get you started.  
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm&lt;/a&gt; 
 
The Associated Press computed divorce statistics from data supplied by the U.S. Census Bureau and the National Center for Health.4 They found that Nevada had the highest divorce rate, at 8.5 divorces per 1,000 people in 1998. Nevada has had a reputation as a quickie divorce location for decades. People from other states visited Nevada, fulfilled their residency requirements, got divorced and returned home single. 
 
The data showed that the highest divorce rates were found in the Bible Belt. &quot;Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama and Oklahoma round out the Top Five in frequency of divorce...the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average&quot; of 4.2/1000 people.  
 
11 southern states (AL, AR, AZ, FL, GA, MS, NC, NM, OK, SC and TX averaged 5.1/1000 people. (LA data is not available; TX data is for 1997). 
 
Nine states in the Northeast (CT, MA, ME, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT) averaged only 3.5/1000 people. 
 
Some of the factors that contribute to a high divorce rate in the Bible Belt, relative to Northeastern states are: 
 
More couples enter their first marriage at a younger age. 
 
Average household incomes are lower (OK and AR rate 46th and 47th in the U.S.) 
 
They have a lower percentage of Roman Catholics, a denomination that does not recognize divorce. Anthony Jordan, executive director of  the Southern Baptist Convention in Oklahoma commented: &quot;I applaud the Catholics,&quot; says Jordan. &quot;I don&#039;t think we as Protestant evangelists have done nearly as well preparing people for marriage. And in the name of being loving and accepting, we have not placed the stigma on divorce that we should have.&quot; 
 
Some factor in conservative Protestantism -- which is prevalent in the Bible Belt -- may causes a higher level of divorce. 
 
Associated Press&#039; confirmation of Barna&#039;s results: 
The Associated Press analyzed divorce statistics from the US Census Bureau. They found that Massachusetts had the lowest divorce rate in the U.S. at 2.4 per 1,000 population. Texas had the highest rate at 4.1 per 1,000. They found that the highest divorce rates are found in the &quot;Bible Belt.&quot; 
According to the Boston Globe: 
 
&quot;The AP report stated that &#039;the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average of 4.2 per thousand people.&#039; The 10 Southern states with some of the highest divorce rates were Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. By comparison nine states in the Northeast were among those with the lowest divorce rates: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont.&quot; 
 
One reason for the higher divorce rates in the Bible Belt may be the lower percentage of Roman Catholics in the South. Their denomination does not recognize divorce. Other reasons could be related more to culture than religion: 
 
Couples in the South enter their first marriages at a younger age. 
 
Family incomes in the South are lower. 
 
Educational attainment is lower in the South: One in three Massachusetts residents have completed college. while only 23% of Texans have.  11 
 
On the other hand divorce rates for atheists are lower.  
 
Variation in divorce rates by religion: 
 
Religion           % have been divorced 
Jews                         30% 
Born-again Christians 27% 
Other Christians         24% 
Atheists, Agnostics    21% 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask and you shall receive. Just about any organization that has measured divorce rates has concluded the rate is highest in the bible belt. There are reams of data on this and the reasons are pretty well understood. Here is something to get you started.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm" target="_blank">http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm</a> </p>
<p>The Associated Press computed divorce statistics from data supplied by the U.S. Census Bureau and the National Center for Health.4 They found that Nevada had the highest divorce rate, at 8.5 divorces per 1,000 people in 1998. Nevada has had a reputation as a quickie divorce location for decades. People from other states visited Nevada, fulfilled their residency requirements, got divorced and returned home single. </p>
<p>The data showed that the highest divorce rates were found in the Bible Belt. &quot;Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama and Oklahoma round out the Top Five in frequency of divorce&#8230;the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average&quot; of 4.2/1000 people.  </p>
<p>11 southern states (AL, AR, AZ, FL, GA, MS, NC, NM, OK, SC and TX averaged 5.1/1000 people. (LA data is not available; TX data is for 1997). </p>
<p>Nine states in the Northeast (CT, MA, ME, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT) averaged only 3.5/1000 people. </p>
<p>Some of the factors that contribute to a high divorce rate in the Bible Belt, relative to Northeastern states are: </p>
<p>More couples enter their first marriage at a younger age. </p>
<p>Average household incomes are lower (OK and AR rate 46th and 47th in the U.S.) </p>
<p>They have a lower percentage of Roman Catholics, a denomination that does not recognize divorce. Anthony Jordan, executive director of  the Southern Baptist Convention in Oklahoma commented: &quot;I applaud the Catholics,&quot; says Jordan. &quot;I don&#039;t think we as Protestant evangelists have done nearly as well preparing people for marriage. And in the name of being loving and accepting, we have not placed the stigma on divorce that we should have.&quot; </p>
<p>Some factor in conservative Protestantism &#8212; which is prevalent in the Bible Belt &#8212; may causes a higher level of divorce. </p>
<p>Associated Press&#039; confirmation of Barna&#039;s results:<br />
The Associated Press analyzed divorce statistics from the US Census Bureau. They found that Massachusetts had the lowest divorce rate in the U.S. at 2.4 per 1,000 population. Texas had the highest rate at 4.1 per 1,000. They found that the highest divorce rates are found in the &quot;Bible Belt.&quot;<br />
According to the Boston Globe: </p>
<p>&quot;The AP report stated that &#039;the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average of 4.2 per thousand people.&#039; The 10 Southern states with some of the highest divorce rates were Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. By comparison nine states in the Northeast were among those with the lowest divorce rates: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont.&quot; </p>
<p>One reason for the higher divorce rates in the Bible Belt may be the lower percentage of Roman Catholics in the South. Their denomination does not recognize divorce. Other reasons could be related more to culture than religion: </p>
<p>Couples in the South enter their first marriages at a younger age. </p>
<p>Family incomes in the South are lower. </p>
<p>Educational attainment is lower in the South: One in three Massachusetts residents have completed college. while only 23% of Texans have.  11 </p>
<p>On the other hand divorce rates for atheists are lower.  </p>
<p>Variation in divorce rates by religion: </p>
<p>Religion           % have been divorced<br />
Jews                         30%<br />
Born-again Christians 27%<br />
Other Christians         24%<br />
Atheists, Agnostics    21%</p>
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		<title>By: hambydammit</title>
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		<dc:creator>hambydammit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If one takes the varying populations of the different Christian denominations properly into account, the result is that only one in eight of all Christian marriages, 12.5 percent, end in divorce.&quot; 
 
According to who and what?  Source, please?  Methodology please? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;If one takes the varying populations of the different Christian denominations properly into account, the result is that only one in eight of all Christian marriages, 12.5 percent, end in divorce.&quot; </p>
<p>According to who and what?  Source, please?  Methodology please?</p>
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		<title>By: JD Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 03:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Religious believers have *higher* divorce rates&lt;/i&gt;

Hello Heidi.  Are you refering to the flawed &quot;Barna&quot; study?  &quot;16.7 percent of Baptist and Pentecostal marriages ended in divorce compared to 26.5 percent of the irreligious marriages.  If one takes the varying populations of the different Christian denominations properly into account, the result is that only one in eight of all Christian marriages, 12.5 percent, end in divorce. So it is not only an exaggeration, it is statistically incorrect to assert that Christian marriages are more likely to end in divorce, because atheist marriages are more than twice as likely to fail even though atheists are less than half as likely to get married in the first place....Perhaps the seven marriages of the atheist champions Bertrand Russell and Richard Dawkins should have been Barna&#039;s first clue that his initial conclusions were awry.&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=42582&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Religious believers have *higher* divorce rates</i></p>
<p>Hello Heidi.  Are you refering to the flawed &#8220;Barna&#8221; study?  &#8220;16.7 percent of Baptist and Pentecostal marriages ended in divorce compared to 26.5 percent of the irreligious marriages.  If one takes the varying populations of the different Christian denominations properly into account, the result is that only one in eight of all Christian marriages, 12.5 percent, end in divorce. So it is not only an exaggeration, it is statistically incorrect to assert that Christian marriages are more likely to end in divorce, because atheist marriages are more than twice as likely to fail even though atheists are less than half as likely to get married in the first place&#8230;.Perhaps the seven marriages of the atheist champions Bertrand Russell and Richard Dawkins should have been Barna&#8217;s first clue that his initial conclusions were awry.&#8221; <a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=42582" rel="nofollow">Link</a></p>
<p>Insofar as obesity is concerned</p>
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		<title>By: Richard_Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard_Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 00:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam Harris  
&quot;If there are objective truths about human well-being&#8212;if kindness, for instance, is generally more conducive to happiness than cruelty is&#8212;then there seems little doubt that science will one day be able to make strong and precise claims about which of our behaviors and uses of attention are morally good, which are neutral, and which are bad. At [a] time when only 28 percent of Americans will admit the truth of evolution, while 58 percent imagine that a belief in God is necessary for morality, it is truism to say that our culture is not prepared to think critically about the changes to come.&quot; Writing in The Edge.  
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.edge.org/discourse/vote_morality.html#harriss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.edge.org/discourse/vote_morality.html#...&lt;/a&gt; 
  
The myth that logic and the scientific method cannot have anything to say about morality is patently wrong. This is simply more of the dogma that theologians devised to protect what they claim is their exclusive right to lay down laws of morality as they interpret them from sacred texts and revelation. They have mostly been proved irrelevant over the centuries, but they persist. &lt;div style=&quot;margin: 6px 0pt 0pt; display: block;&quot;&gt;&lt;a class=&quot;a2a_dd&quot; href=&quot;http://www.addtoany.com/share_save&quot;&gt;&lt;img style=&quot;border-width: 0pt;&quot; src=&quot;http://static.addtoany.com/buttons/share_save_171_16.png&quot; alt=&quot;Share/Save/Bookmark&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; height=&quot;16&quot; width=&quot;171&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam Harris<br />
&quot;If there are objective truths about human well-being&mdash;if kindness, for instance, is generally more conducive to happiness than cruelty is&mdash;then there seems little doubt that science will one day be able to make strong and precise claims about which of our behaviors and uses of attention are morally good, which are neutral, and which are bad. At [a] time when only 28 percent of Americans will admit the truth of evolution, while 58 percent imagine that a belief in God is necessary for morality, it is truism to say that our culture is not prepared to think critically about the changes to come.&quot; Writing in The Edge.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.edge.org/discourse/vote_morality.html#harriss" rel="nofollow">http://www.edge.org/discourse/vote_morality.html#&#8230;</a> </p>
<p>The myth that logic and the scientific method cannot have anything to say about morality is patently wrong. This is simply more of the dogma that theologians devised to protect what they claim is their exclusive right to lay down laws of morality as they interpret them from sacred texts and revelation. They have mostly been proved irrelevant over the centuries, but they persist. &lt;div style=&quot;margin: 6px 0pt 0pt; display: block;&quot;&gt;&lt;a class=&quot;a2a_dd&quot; href=&quot;<a href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save&quot;&gt;&lt;img" rel="nofollow">http://www.addtoany.com/share_save&quot;&gt;&lt;img</a> style=&quot;border-width: 0pt;&quot; src=&quot;<a href="http://static.addtoany.com/buttons/share_save_171_16.png&#038;quot" rel="nofollow">http://static.addtoany.com/buttons/share_save_171_16.png&#038;quot</a>; alt=&quot;Share/Save/Bookmark&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; height=&quot;16&quot; width=&quot;171&quot;&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: James Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just throwing this out there: &lt;a href=&quot;http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just throwing this out there: <a href="http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm" target="_blank">http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: James Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So do you agree or not with my statement that people do not need religious beliefs to act ethically? If not, then I would like to see the harrowing statistics of all the bad stuff non-believers are constantly up to. If you do agree, then you are well on your way to answering your own question. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So do you agree or not with my statement that people do not need religious beliefs to act ethically? If not, then I would like to see the harrowing statistics of all the bad stuff non-believers are constantly up to. If you do agree, then you are well on your way to answering your own question.</p>
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		<title>By: Heidi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Who is to say which system of ethics is best and by what metric is the &quot;best system&quot; determined?&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Why are you changing the subject? That&#039;s not what James said. He said that it is clearly not a true statement &quot;that people need religious beliefs to act ethically.&quot; And he is correct. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Who is to say which system of ethics is best and by what metric is the &quot;best system&quot; determined?</i> </p>
<p>Why are you changing the subject? That&#039;s not what James said. He said that it is clearly not a true statement &quot;that people need religious beliefs to act ethically.&quot; And he is correct.</p>
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