Science vs. Religion: Ideology and Methodology

I’ve had several private correspondences over the last couple of days dealing with what I’ve started calling the Church of Dawkins.  A significant number of theists and atheists seem to believe that there’s some sort of cult forming around everything that comes out of the mouth of the “King of Atheists,” or some nonsense like that.  This also ties into the hubbub over the New Atheists and The Four Horsemen and all the other monikers earned by various atheist writers over the last few years.

To begin with, let me say a few things about what is happening in atheism.  I’m tempted to put atheism in scare quotes because atheism is not a philosophy or a worldview, but I will let that stand for the moment.  Just please realize that when I talk about “atheism” in this sense, I’m talking about a vaguely defined social movement, not the ordinary epistemological position.

Atheism is a movement of a sort.  We have conferences and book signings and student associations.  There are “factions.”  Some atheists don’t believe in the in-your-face style of Dawkins and Harris.  Writers like Michael Shermer favor a much more passive and accepting approach to spreading freethought.  Ayn Rand was an atheist, and promoted objectivism, which is fervently espoused by a small number of atheists, but discarded as so much claptrap by most rationalists and positivists.

There are “leaders” in atheism.  Margaret Downey has been at the forefront of many social and free-thinking issues for years, and is the founder of the Freethought Society of Greater Philadelphia.  She was largely responsible for taking on the Boy Scouts for discriminating against atheists and gays.   Richard Dawkins is a prolific author and a compelling speaker, and he has an extensive speaking circuit as well as a very popular website.  Sam Harris frequently editorializes in the country’s most widely read newspapers.

It’s relatively easy for me to understand why a lot of people see what’s going on in atheism and think it’s cult-like.   Had I been a theist when a lot of these folks became big news, I’d probably have thought the same thing.  The thing is, it’s not a cult.  Certainly every popular author has his or her fanboys.  That cannot be avoided.  But the thing that makes this movement special, and I believe unique in Western History, is that it is a seemingly paradoxical movement.  Hundreds of thousands of people are working together to encourage every individual to think for himself and not follow the group! How can this be possible?  There are two main reasons I can think of:  The Principles of Science, and The Convergence of Truth.

The Principles of Science

If you haven’t read my article on the scientific method, now would be a good time, as I will only summarize briefly here.   If you understand science, you know that its greatest strength is its independence from authorship.  That is to say, if I give you a list of instructions for performing a scientific experiment and you follow the instructions precisely, you will get the same results as anyone else on the planet who followed the same steps.  There need not be any attribution or author’s name on the study for you to know the facts demonstrated by the experiment are true.

As humans, we admire scientists who make breakthrough discoveries.  We all know the name Albert Einstein, and we all hold him in high reverence, as we do Isaac Newton, Marie Curie, and Jonas Salk.   It is important to remember, though, that the discoveries made by these men and women were truths waiting to be discovered.  Einstein did not create general relativity.  He described it.  Salk was the first to observe the truth that a dead polio virus would successfully immunize children against polio.  Curie observed that uranium radiation made the surrounding air conductive.

The important point here is that had any one of these scientists not been born, the scientific truths associated with their names would have been discovered by someone else.  Perhaps Einstein was ahead of his time, but it is hard to imagine that no human would have put the same pieces of the puzzle together and reached the same conclusion — ever.  That’s the beauty of science.  The pieces of any puzzle are available for anyone to see.  If a thing is true, it is true for Einstein and Hambydammit and Joe Plumber.  Neither of us needs the other to see the truth.  We just need the scientific method.

The “Four Horsemen” of atheism, as well as most of the lesser known authors, and most bloggers like me, are staunch advocates of the scientific method.  In many ways, we are not so much concerned with converting someone to atheism as we are convincing them of the truth that science is the only reliable way to discover truth.  Indeed, there are atheists in the world who believe wacky things.  As many theists are quick to point out, Stalin was an atheist.  So was Mao Tse-tung.   These people believed in a political ideology that doesn’t work.  They caused immense suffering because they believed an ideology instead of empirically verifiable facts.

As a matter of fact, Sam Harris himself has been quite critical of using the word “atheist” to describe this movement.  Paul Geisert and Mynga Futell co-founded the term “Brights” in an attempt to unite everyone who believes in naturalism and science.  I only refer to myself as an atheist because the word is accurate in describing my lack of belief in a deity.  Given the choice, I call myself a naturalist or a materialist, for both of those words give a far more detailed description of what I do believe, rather than simply mentioning one thing I don’t believe in.

Science, then, is the central support of the growing atheist movement.  Since science is results-based instead of personality based, we should expect the movers and shakers to come and go.   We should recognize that so long as any particular figure in the movement is espousing independent, empirically verifiable science, we will not be heading down the road towards a cult of personality.  Similarly, we should demand that no matter how well-established a particular figure is, he should back up every positive claim he makes.  Tenure does not reduce the burden of proof.

The best example I can think of is the laughable tactic used in the movie Expelled.   In one scene, Ben Stein is interviewing Dawkins about the origins of life, and Dawkins explains that even if life were seeded on earth by aliens, it would only push the question of origins back one step.  We would still have to account for the beginning of the alien life, and the only plausible explanation is gradual increasing complexity as described by evolution.  Theists have jumped on this bandwagon in an attempt to discredit Dawkins.  “SEE!” they proclaim.  “The Grand Poo-Bah of Atheism Believes in Aliens!!”

Granted, this is stretch, but let’s give them the benefit of the doubt.  Let’s suppose that Richard Dawkins believes aliens seeded life on earth.  Fine.  He needs to get to writing, because he’s got a HUGE burden of proof to overcome before anybody believes him.  Oh, sure.  There will be a few thirteen year olds who will hang their hats on alien seeding without demanding proof, but every scientist worth his dissertation will demand overwhelming proof.

When Antony Flew succumbed to dementia and espoused belief in a deistic god, the reaction from the brights and atheists and naturalists was mostly sympathy.  He has been a prominent figure in the freethinking movement, and it is sad from a human perspective to see that his faculties have dimmed and that he cannot form coherent arguments anymore.  He is still highly respected as a member of the freethough community, and his serious work still stands as strongly as it ever did.

The broad point is a simple one.  This movement, unlike any other ideological movement, has its roots in something outside of the word of man.  Ironic, isn’t it?  For centuries, men have told us that the word of God was outside of the word of man, but there was no way to verify that except for trusting the word of men.  Now, with the discovery of science, we truly can discover reality without trusting men.  The independence of the scientific method is the escape hatch from the cult of personality.

The Convergence of Truth

If you know something about evolutionary biology, you know what convergent evolution is.  Simply put, some solutions to problems are better than others, and evolution, being based entirely on the success of design, tends to discover particularly good solutions over and over.   The eye is one of the best examples.  At least eight independent times, evolution has stumbled upon the solution of light detection.  In many environments, creatures that can detect and react to light are significantly better equipped to survive than those who can’t.  The eye has developed in different ways.  Just as there are multiple ways to build a camera lens, there are different ways to build eyes.  At the heart of all eyes, however, is the inescapable truth:  Seeing is better than not seeing.

I want to take the same principle and apply it to living as a human.  When we look around the entire world, we see many remarkable convergences of truth.  As a very mundane example, we observe that virtually all cultures go out of their way to make tools designed for human rear ends to rest upon.  The truth is simple:  Humans expend less energy while resting than standing, and sitting on one’s rear end is one of the best forms of resting.  Of course, there are thousands of designs for sitting devices.  I’m sitting in a faux-leather office chair with wheels.  There are rocking chairs, swings, settees, pillows, lumbard support cushions, and divans.  The angle of inclination, comfort, height, and other variables change significantly between designs, but all of them address the same truth — it is good for people to sit sometimes.

We should not suppose for a minute that one human thought up a chair, and every chair since has been a copy or adaptation.  How foolish that would be!  When anthropologists discover a new tribe of humans that has never had contact with the outside world, they observe sitting devices of some sort.  Shaping the environment to make a comfortable sitting surface is so obvious an action that we hardly think of it as requiring intelligence.   Even so, this is a good analogy for more complicated convergences of truth.

I have mentioned before that a naturalist philosophy essentially demands atheism, if followed to its logical conclusion.  This, of course, is because of the incoherence of all god-definitions when applied to naturalism.  This understanding hasn’t been easily accessible for most of human history.  Modern epistemology, ontology, and symbolic logic have given us the tools we need to make the observations of naturalism with justification.    Therein lies the key to this growing movement of diverse yet convergent atheists.  Any one of these fields demands answers to questions that lead to other related fields.  If I begin with logic, I must at some point address the question of how far the rules of logic apply.  To answer that question, I must study ontology.  To study ontology, I must study epistemology.   If I thoroughly grasp these subjects, I will be pulled very strongly towards naturalism.  (It’s my belief that naturalism is the only justifiable position, but that’s another blog topic.)

You can probably see where I’m going with this.  Atheism is a convergent truth.  It may be reached in a variety of ways, but it is the logical conclusion to a great many lines of thinking.  Most importantly, it is the position demanded by the scientific method.  If there is a god, there is evidence for this god.  Science has yet to uncover one scrap of evidence for god, so it must conditionally conclude that god-belief is unjustified.  Put simply, anyone who meticulously and precisely follows the scientific method ought to arrive at atheism if he ever addresses the question of god(s).  In the same way that any two people on earth, given a description of a basic science experiment, will achieve the same results, the rejection of the god theory is also a predictable result of the application of the scientific method.  It is a truth accessible to anyone on the planet, independent of whether it has been discovered elsewhere before.

The Uniqueness of the Atheist Movement

“Atheism” (or “New Atheism, if you must) is a unique movement in human history.  Never before have we had access to so much information about the universe and the nature of reality.  I don’t see the atheism movement as a political movement, or an ideological movement.  Instead, it is in large part a realization by millions and millions of people that science gives them the freedom to shake off the yoke of personality.  They need not follow Sagan or Dawkins or Dennett.  They can instead avail themself of the independent and objective yardstick of science and logic.  The truths they discover may have been previously discovered, of course, and if it turns out that they find like minded people who have also made the same discoveries, so much the better.

This isn’t about atheism.  It’s about realizing that we have the justification as humans to throw off religion and superstition and do the best we can at working out the nature of reality ourselves.  There will be quacks and fakirs who will come and go.  They will gather their own followers, but in the end, their ideas will be discarded when it becomes obvious that they cannot stand up to independent scrutiny.  If ever there was a movement that was truly about the individual, this has to be it.  It is about belief in the reliability of truth outside of the word of any man, no matter how intelligent or powerful he might be.  It is what religion has claimed to offer and failed.  Where religion only offers the word of man to testify to the “Truth,” science offers itself as the path to truth, and anyone can discover the truth without indoctrination or threats of punishment.

Ironic, isn’t it?

I realize that I’m setting myself up.  Theists will jump on the bandwagon and say, “See!  It’s just like a religion!  You’re religious!”  When they do that, I will quietly explain to them — again — that there is no end to the chain of heresay in religion, and science is its own end.   There is an unethical experiment we cannot perform in reality, but can easily imagine as a thought experiment.  Suppose we take a hundred children and raise them in complete social isolation.  That is, we ensure that they are not taught any religious concept whatsoever, or ever hear the word “god” or “science.”  When they are old enough to manipulate their environment creatively, we put them in an isolated environment with various problems to solve.  They must find shelter from the heat and rain.  They must find food.  They must not defacate where they sleep or they will soon have to find new shelter.

Most of the children will solve these problems, assuming there are things to eat and places to hide.  Most of them will use tools to accomplish their purposes.  Supposing we leave them existing tools, they will probably discover their uses.  If, for instance, we leave a lens to focus sunlight, some of the children will learn to start fires.  Not all, of course, but many.  If we leave an umbrella, most of the children will figure out how to open it, and will use it as a portable shelter.

Now, let us ask ourselves:  How many of these children will come up with the Gospel of John?  How many will come away from their isolated existence believing firmly that Jesus Christ is the son of god, and they must believe in him or suffer eternal hellfire as punishment for disbelief?  The obvious answer is that not one child will come to that conclusion.  Not one.  Yet all of them, to some degree or another, will convergently discover truths of science.  Nobody will discover Allah, or Thor, or Zeus, or Ahura Mazda.  To discover these gods, we must learn of them from other men.

After this objection has been dealt with, atheists and theists alike will aver that there is more to life than scientific observation.  Human life is about culture and love and emotional entanglement.  Science can describe these things empirically, but it cannot tell us what to do with them.  To that, I will reply, “Precisely my point!”  Science can and does describe culture, love, and emotional entanglement.  We discover truths about being human.  We are evolved creatures with instincts and intelligence.  We all desire companionship, mating, and social acceptance.  We all tend towards conspicuous consumption.  All of this information is useful to us in deciding how to act.

Human culture is diverse and in some ways quite unpredictable.  Science doesn’t promise utopia.  It promises truth.  Sometimes the truth is ugly, and that is one of the scariest things about abandoning myth for truth.  Tsunamis will strike.  Hurricanes will devastate cities.  Charlatans will rob people of their life savings.  But science at least gives us a clear window into why these things happen, and offers us the chance to potentially change what we want to change, based not on guesses about what Jehovah might want us to do, but on the way the world works, as verifiable to anyone who cares to look.

There will always be questions to answer, and there will always be people and cultures we disagree with.  Science will not give us a One World Government, or a universal code of ethics.  Instead, it will give us a way to understand the necessary and dynamic diversity we see in different cultures.  It will give us the justification to call for the end of demonstrably harmful cultural practices.  It will demand evidence before embarking on grandiose social engineering projects.  It will demand that we give an empirically verifiable reason before imposing this or that law on a populace.  It will demand an end to blind faith.

The Science Movement is about ending that which is demonstrably false and harmful, and about enabling us to find the best ways to pursue what we believe is right.  This is no different from the religious movement in one very important sense — it’s still about doing what we believe is right.  The crucial difference, however, is that it finally gives us a yardstick to test our beliefs against.  It is literally a reality check to guage whether our intentions match our actions.  It’s fine and good to intend good or to wish people happiness.  It’s quite another to act in a way that actually promotes happiness.  Science is the tool for determining the effectiveness of our actions.  It is the only reliable tool.  THAT is what makes science different from religion.

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There is very little convergence of truth in matters of religion. One might even be tempted to say, after studying the history of religion, that there is a divergence of "truth." Religious believers are clearly not on to anything at all. That is the power of science. It is what sends people to the moon rather than planes into buildings.

There is very little convergence of truth in matters of religion

One shouldnt lump all religions in together any more than all atheists together. I'm sure you're a much better person than Pol Pot was James, but probably not quite the snappy dresser that Hoxha was.

One might even be tempted to say, after studying the history of religion, that there is a divergence of "truth."

I can't speak for other religions and their claims to "truth" James, but if you would like to discuss Christianity, I'm game.

Religious believers are clearly not on to anything at all

Nothing at all. Just longer life expectancies, a higher probability in marrying and having families, lower divorce rates, less likely to be obese, less likely to smoke, use drugs or alcohol. And thats just off the top of my head.

That is the power of science. It is what sends people to the moon rather than planes into buildings.

The "power of science" is something that I'm sure that Josef Mengele was all too familiar with. If religion did not exist, then it would have to be invented in order to ensure the ethical use of science.

Depends on what one aims to argue. I am stating that the human cultural phenomenon classified as "religion" has not converged over the years to any particular consensus on what religious beliefs are more or less true, while this happens all the time in the human cultural phenomenon classified as science.

You can discuss Christianity if you'd like. Christianity itself suffers from many internal divergences.

What I meant was that religious believers are not on to or close to discovering some fundamental truth about the nature of the universe.

Religion does not need to exist for science to be used in an ethical manner. To suggest this is to suggest that people need religious beliefs to act ethically, which in general is clearly not a true statement.

About the unethical experiment: no need to experiment with children, it's easy to extrapolate from what we know about isolated tribal societies. But let me add that as with what was said about implements for sitting, sans science, every one of them converged on religion.

What has contributed as much as anything to the growing trend of losing interest in religion, is not atheist apologetics – been around for a long time. Rather the increasing smallness of the earth, which makes it just so obvious what anthropologists have known for a long time that, though religious thinking is convergent in humans – for reasons of group unity, organization, and economics that I won't go into – it refutes itself in each culture in most every detail.

Moreover, the experiment has been done (again as revealed by anthropology) that any religious institution in its myths, rituals and proscriptions is only locally and temporally functional. It's fluid: changing and adapting over time like everything else in human society; even what one might say is at the core of a culture, i.e., language. But like language, when you write it down it fixes it in time and cripples it, rendering it increasingly irrelevant and out-of-touch. That fixation on the inerrant written word is the death of it. Right along with cultural contact (exposing the relativism of religious thought), writing kills living, breathing religion.

Let me underscore an important point, one that science needs to deal with. Humans are born to be imprinted with a narrative description of the world, their society, and themselves, in exactly as they are with language. It's a vacuum that needs to be filled and once filled it structures neural circuitry and emotional feedback loops.

Due to his experience with Buddhist practice, as much as he is a proponent of casting off the shackles of supernaturalism, Sam Harris is an advocate of the need to investigate how religion is acquired, what it's for and how it works in the brain, in the same way we seek to understand language or learning to walk. Sam's current Ph.D work is in that area. Charles Tart, and John Lily were early pioneers. 25 years ago, I had a professor and later met a researcher doing biochemical studies of people in religious states. That work has gone nowhere in all this time, primarily due to the how religion can't be questioned. Science needs to investigate this phenomena, head-on.

Religion does not need to exist for science to be used in an ethical manner. To suggest this is to suggest that people need religious beliefs to act ethically, which in general is clearly not a true statement.

Who is to say which system of ethics is best and by what metric is the “best system” determined?

Heidi

Except for the part that you're wrong about several of your "statistics." Care to back them up with evidence? Didn't think so.

Religious believers have *higher* divorce rates, and are *more* likely to be obese. I have seen no statistics on your other claims one way or the other. But you are definitely wrong about the two I've mentioned. Might you be wrong about the others? Religious believers also tend to be less intelligent or less educated, more warlike, and more intolerant.

Also, what is so noble or praiseworthy about marrying and having children? You act as if *not* marrying and having children is a bad thing. The planet is overcrowded. Think about it.

Heidi

Who is to say which system of ethics is best and by what metric is the "best system" determined?

Why are you changing the subject? That's not what James said. He said that it is clearly not a true statement "that people need religious beliefs to act ethically." And he is correct.

So do you agree or not with my statement that people do not need religious beliefs to act ethically? If not, then I would like to see the harrowing statistics of all the bad stuff non-believers are constantly up to. If you do agree, then you are well on your way to answering your own question.

Just throwing this out there: http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm

Sam Harris
"If there are objective truths about human well-being—if kindness, for instance, is generally more conducive to happiness than cruelty is—then there seems little doubt that science will one day be able to make strong and precise claims about which of our behaviors and uses of attention are morally good, which are neutral, and which are bad. At [a] time when only 28 percent of Americans will admit the truth of evolution, while 58 percent imagine that a belief in God is necessary for morality, it is truism to say that our culture is not prepared to think critically about the changes to come." Writing in The Edge.

http://www.edge.org/discourse/vote_morality.html#...

The myth that logic and the scientific method cannot have anything to say about morality is patently wrong. This is simply more of the dogma that theologians devised to protect what they claim is their exclusive right to lay down laws of morality as they interpret them from sacred texts and revelation. They have mostly been proved irrelevant over the centuries, but they persist. <div style="margin: 6px 0pt 0pt; display: block;"><a class="a2a_dd" href="http://www.addtoany.com/share_save"><img style="border-width: 0pt;" src="http://static.addtoany.com/buttons/share_save_171_16.png" alt="Share/Save/Bookmark" border="0" height="16" width="171">

Religious believers have *higher* divorce rates

Hello Heidi. Are you refering to the flawed “Barna” study? “16.7 percent of Baptist and Pentecostal marriages ended in divorce compared to 26.5 percent of the irreligious marriages. If one takes the varying populations of the different Christian denominations properly into account, the result is that only one in eight of all Christian marriages, 12.5 percent, end in divorce. So it is not only an exaggeration, it is statistically incorrect to assert that Christian marriages are more likely to end in divorce, because atheist marriages are more than twice as likely to fail even though atheists are less than half as likely to get married in the first place….Perhaps the seven marriages of the atheist champions Bertrand Russell and Richard Dawkins should have been Barna’s first clue that his initial conclusions were awry.” Link

Insofar as obesity is concerned

"If one takes the varying populations of the different Christian denominations properly into account, the result is that only one in eight of all Christian marriages, 12.5 percent, end in divorce."

According to who and what? Source, please? Methodology please?

Ask and you shall receive. Just about any organization that has measured divorce rates has concluded the rate is highest in the bible belt. There are reams of data on this and the reasons are pretty well understood. Here is something to get you started.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

The Associated Press computed divorce statistics from data supplied by the U.S. Census Bureau and the National Center for Health.4 They found that Nevada had the highest divorce rate, at 8.5 divorces per 1,000 people in 1998. Nevada has had a reputation as a quickie divorce location for decades. People from other states visited Nevada, fulfilled their residency requirements, got divorced and returned home single.

The data showed that the highest divorce rates were found in the Bible Belt. "Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama and Oklahoma round out the Top Five in frequency of divorce…the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average" of 4.2/1000 people.

11 southern states (AL, AR, AZ, FL, GA, MS, NC, NM, OK, SC and TX averaged 5.1/1000 people. (LA data is not available; TX data is for 1997).

Nine states in the Northeast (CT, MA, ME, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT) averaged only 3.5/1000 people.

Some of the factors that contribute to a high divorce rate in the Bible Belt, relative to Northeastern states are:

More couples enter their first marriage at a younger age.

Average household incomes are lower (OK and AR rate 46th and 47th in the U.S.)

They have a lower percentage of Roman Catholics, a denomination that does not recognize divorce. Anthony Jordan, executive director of the Southern Baptist Convention in Oklahoma commented: "I applaud the Catholics," says Jordan. "I don't think we as Protestant evangelists have done nearly as well preparing people for marriage. And in the name of being loving and accepting, we have not placed the stigma on divorce that we should have."

Some factor in conservative Protestantism — which is prevalent in the Bible Belt — may causes a higher level of divorce.

Associated Press' confirmation of Barna's results:
The Associated Press analyzed divorce statistics from the US Census Bureau. They found that Massachusetts had the lowest divorce rate in the U.S. at 2.4 per 1,000 population. Texas had the highest rate at 4.1 per 1,000. They found that the highest divorce rates are found in the "Bible Belt."
According to the Boston Globe:

"The AP report stated that 'the divorce rates in these conservative states are roughly 50 percent above the national average of 4.2 per thousand people.' The 10 Southern states with some of the highest divorce rates were Alabama, Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Texas. By comparison nine states in the Northeast were among those with the lowest divorce rates: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont."

One reason for the higher divorce rates in the Bible Belt may be the lower percentage of Roman Catholics in the South. Their denomination does not recognize divorce. Other reasons could be related more to culture than religion:

Couples in the South enter their first marriages at a younger age.

Family incomes in the South are lower.

Educational attainment is lower in the South: One in three Massachusetts residents have completed college. while only 23% of Texans have. 11

On the other hand divorce rates for atheists are lower.

Variation in divorce rates by religion:

Religion % have been divorced
Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists, Agnostics 21%

Heidi

Scroll up and read Richard's data, please. And note that his data that come from a neutral source, while yours come from "Vox Day is a Christian libertarian opinion columnist whose latest book is "The Irrational Atheist." " Hardly unbiased.

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