Homeschool regulation must be a top priority for the Obama administration

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Until the 1980s homeschooling was a benign activity that effected very few children. After homeschooling became dominated by right wing Christian theocrats perhaps a million vulnerable children (estimates are suspect because of poor reporting requirements) became virtual prisoners in their own homes, pawns in a scheme to overthrow the United States government and replace it with a theocracy. The theocrats scheme includes lobbying state legislatures, pressing free exercise of religion cases in the courts and collusion with extreme right wing Republican officials. About 50 US Congress persons in the Bush were thought to be dominionists. Many of them are still serving. The result is an almost total lack of oversight by government officials. It will require a new administration to undo the Bush administration handiwork.

The Supreme Court gave parents the right to teach children the tenets and the practices of their faith back in 1944. (Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158, 164 (1944). The Prince decision, together with the Yoder vs Wisconsin decision inspired theocratic zealots to create a rebellious strain of home schooling. Lead by radicals, this movement is creating a virtual fifth column of ignorant children raised to hate democracy and to revile and distrust their government institutions. In this way, the theocrats are systematically grooming innocent children through a staged process involving homeschools, a project called Generation Joshua and the Patrick Henry College. There aim is to quietly infiltrate, hamper, frustrate and then dismantle the government of the United States and establish a theocracy according to Dominionist theology. The theocrats plan seems to be working because the Bush administration opened the doors of government to Patrick Henry College graduates while the general public has taken little notice. But then, the devious theocrats are anything but honest and above board. They are like cockroaches, termites and other vermin that hide out of sight.

No one contemplated the political power radical right wing Christians would usurp in the latter decades of the 20st century. Nor, how they would first systematically attack the public school system and then in frustration, how they would begin to withdraw their children from public schools in astonishing numbers. Able to mobilize thousands of parents to swamp legislatures with calls and emails they steam rolled their agenda into laws across the country. There was little or no opposition from the federal or state governments because GW Bush was in collusion with this effort.

With children constantly supervised by zealous parents, the indoctrination of their backward debauched religion can take place 24 hours a day seven days a week. Out of sight, the indoctrination goes unnoticed. The unfortunate children’s parents rigorously shield them from civilian authority, and they are not allowed to associate with anyone that has not been pre-approved. Parents heavily monitor and restrict radio, television, movies, the Internet and live entertainment events. When legal problems threaten, parents use the threadbare guise of sacrosanct religious liberty and call on well heeled advocacy groups like Michael Ferris’s Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA), Focus on the Family, The Pacific Justice Institute, and The Eagle Forum to name just a few far right advocacy groups of dubious character.

In these families, there will be no nonsense about gender equality, or sex education or tolerance of other’s beliefs; parents are convinced they alone have the truth and all outsiders are Satan’s spawn that are going to hell. There is no effort to teach the children how to reason or make moral judgments based on logic; morality lessons consist of picked over biblical dogma. This trend has been in place for nearly 20 years and has spawned a vast infrastructure of lobbyists, legal assistance groups, and purveyors of “approved” curriculum materials. Many curriculum materials advertise that they teach subjects in a “godly”way. Believe it or not there are even teaching materials that extend this pedagogy to mathematics!

Rob Reich (Associate Professor of Political Science and Ethics at Stanford University ) explains what he considers is the major problem in terms of parents deliberately frustrating the development of autonomy in their children:

“The problem with homeschooling and parental authority over education arises not out of conflicts over whether children should become independent adults. Few people wish to defend the authority of parents who plainly care too little. The problem arises over parents who, as it were, care too much in seeking to prevent the development of autonomy in their children. I mean to suggest that parents who wish to control the socialization of their children so completely as to instill inerrant beliefs in their own worldview or unquestioning obedience to their own or others’ authority are motivated often by a fervent care for, not neglect of their children.

Even when defined minimally, some parents may object to the idea that their children should receive an education that promotes their critical thinking and capacities for reflection on their own and other’s ends. Being minimally autonomous, I claimed, was in the interest of the child for personal and civic reasons. The fact that autonomy is necessary for citizenship makes education for autonomy an interest of the state as well. Thus, when parents reject the facilitation of autonomy in their children, they find themselves in conflict with both the interests of the child and of the state.”

A measure of just how thoroughly the theocrats have taken control of the US Department of Education can be gained by the comments made by Jack Klenk, Director of the Office of Non Public Education at the U.S. Department of Education at a recent meeting sponsored by the Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA a vociferous foe of homeschool oversight ) and featuring eight congressional representatives . Here is part of the HSLDA report on their web site:
“Mr. Klenk has served in the Department for over 20 years, and he talked about how he has seen homeschooling start and grow through the years. He also acknowledged that the Department of Education has heard the homeschool community’s message that the “federal government must leave homeschoolers alone,” and will honor that message. He closed by sharing his and the current administration’s belief that “homeschooling is good for children, good for families, and good for society. ”

Have we no right to expect impartial judgments emanating from such a high government official? Mr Klenk should enjoy his job while it lasts because the Obama administration will see to it that he will be among the first to be shown the door.

The corrupt Bush administration and his allied theocrats were determined to surreptitiously undermine and drag down the government of the United States. Accordingly, it should be obvious to Americans that the new administration must act decisively to regulate homeschools on an urgent basis. Rob Reich has proposed the following provisional framework:

“A PROVISIONAL REGULATORY FRAMEWORK FOR HOME SCHOOLING
Recall that the purpose of these regulations is to help ensure that the state’s interest in providing a civic education for children is met, and to protect the independent interest of the child in developing into a free or autonomous adult. … I propose three minimal regulations. The results of the democratic process might yield additional regulations, which would not necessarily be inconsistent with my views, but these seem to me the bare minimum, as follows:

1. All parents who home school must register with a public official. The state needs to be able to distinguish between truants and home-schooled students, and it needs a record that specific children are being home schooled so that its other regulations can be enforced.

2. Parents must demonstrate to educational officials that their homeschool curriculum meets some minimal standard. The minimal standard will include academic benchmarks as well as an assurance that children are exposed to and engaged with ideas, values, and beliefs that are different from those of the parents. For instance, every home-school curriculum should include information about a variety of religious traditions (I believe this should be the case, as well, for public and private schools.) Parents are free to teach their children that their own religious faith is the truth, but they cannot shield children from the knowledge that other people have different convictions and that these people are, from the standpoint of citizenship, their equals.

3. Parents must permit their children to be tested periodically on some kind of basic skills exam. Should home-schooled children repeatedly fail to make progress on this exam, relative to their public or private school peers, then a case could be made to compel school attendance. Label this educational harm. (The same kind of educational harm surely exists in some public schools, of course. And this is one reason that I believe parents should have the authority to hold the state accountable for public schools by pulling their children from failing schools and enrolling them elsewhere.) In short, these regulations amount to the following:

  • The state registers who is being home schooled.
  • The state insists upon a curriculum that meets minimal academic standards and that introduces students to value pluralism.
  • The state tests students periodically to ensure that minimal academic progress is being made.
  • Would many home schools be unable to meet these regulations? …. If creating and enforcing regulations would prevent even a few children from suffering educational harm or from receiving an education that stunted or disabled their freedom, the regulations would be worthwhile. Strictly enforced regulations ensure that parents do not wield total and unchecked authority over the education of their children. What is at stake here is not a question of social utility or stability, whether home schooling could threaten democracy. What is at stake is the justice that we owe children, that they receive an education that cultivates their future citizenship, their individual freedom, and that teaches them at least basic academic skills, skills that are necessary for ably exercising both their citizenship and their freedom.”

    I wish I could be as sanguine as Rob Reich, because our democracy could clearly be at risk if millions of compromised children continue to go through this warped system. In addition, why settle for minimum standards?

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    Dianna Castillo

    How dare you people try to force your views on the rest of us!! You belive our children are backwards because they homeschool? My daughter is a straight A homeschool student, and I challenge any of your children to outsmart her. Do you radical atheists not realize that some of us are too far far from a good school? We live in a small town , and have only one public school , and it is failing miserably. My daughter is gifted. She is six , and is about to enter fourth grade. There are no gifted programs here because they hold the children down here, to let the non English speaking children catch up. I am not a racist, don't go there, I am also Hispanic. I am well educated, and more than capable to educate her. You hate the fact that we also teach her to be a Christian? Why is that such a bad thing? Hereditary Christianity? What about stopping hereditary atheism?. Why are you atheists constantly attacking Christians? You have the right to be an atheist, it's a free country. Why are we not free to practice Christianity?

    Dianna Castillo

    To continue on my comment, you people continuously keep bringing up socialization. Hmmmm. Let's talk about socialization. Let's see, there's teen pregnancy, STD's, drugs, immoral behavior, and so much more that I see in the public school system. And you think there are going to be behaviors there that I want her to emmulate? She is well mannered, and well socialized, which most public school children cannot say. They are mostly very ill mannered, and have no respect for their elders. Public schools teach the children to stay only within their age groups at school, My daughter is only six, and can play with a two year old, and can hold an intelligent conversation with a 90 year old. Unheard of with most public schooled children. I don't need anyone telling her how to use condoms in school, they do that since elementary school here. Your big problem is that you despise those of us who are Christian. We aren't cramming our Christianity down your throat, but you try to do that with us. There are far more of us than you, and we have been silent for much too long. We will not let our children go without a fight. Get ready.

    Clearly in your zeal you have not taken the time to carefully consider what our actual positions are with respect to these questions. Nobody on here is suggesting that anybody be forced to do anything. In fact, what we are trying to argue against is precisely what you are accusing us of doing – forcing views (whether religious or non-religious) on children!

    Why is it such a bad thing to teach her to be a Christian? Notice that this is different from teaching her about Christianity. Children should be taught to be free and critical thinking individuals when they grow up. Indoctrination does a disservice to the child. Would you be okay if parents taught their children to BE Republican or to BE racist? Probably not. So why is it okay to make children accept a particular religious worldview – especially when there is no evidence to support any particular religious worldview over another?

    Clearly in your zeal you have not taken the time to carefully consider what our actual positions are with respect to these questions. Nobody on here is suggesting that anybody be forced to do anything. In fact, what we are trying to argue against is precisely what you are accusing us of doing -0 forcing views (whether religious or non-religious) on children!

    Why is it such a bad thing to teach her to be a Christian? Notice that this is different from teaching her about Christianity. Children should be taught to be free and critical thinking individuals when they grow up. Indoctrination does a disservice to the child. Would you be okay if parents taught their children to BE Republican or to BE racist? Probably not. So why is it okay to make children accept a particular religious worldview – especially when there is no evidence to support any particular religious worldview over another?

    You seem to be especially adept at completely missing the point, and your hasty generalizations concerning public schools adds nothing to the conversation. In fact, I am not against homeschooling and have no reason to doubt that homeschooling can produce intelligent and well-mannered individuals. My issue goes beyond mere homeschooling – it goes to indoctrination.

    By the way, your assertion that Christians are not flaunting their Christianity or are silent is quite simply laughable, given that you are a majority and just about every major politician must be a Christian to be elected. God on the money, God in the Pledge, Prayer in government, Ten Commandments in public spaces, nativity scenes in public places, an insistence that saying anything other than "Merry Christmas" is insulting, the list could go on and on.

    Here is just one more example of Christian "silence" from today: http://www.kcci.com/news/20298174/detail.html#

    Dianna Castillo

    So you are saying that you believe we should not pass our faith on to our daughter? Don't you do the same thing? Don't you tell your children there is no God? We have to put up with quite a bit from you atheists as well, I will only give one example, but there are many. In public school they also indoctrinate, if not, then what is the darwin theory? I have seen some textbooks where they actually ridicule Christianity. Well, if that's what they believe, then that's fine. What you are saying as that we should leave the indoctrination up to the pucblic schools, or to let the UN regulate our curriculum, and decide how to raise and teach our children. I say to each his own. That's why they made this a free country, so we could practice or not practice our faith as we wish. What happened to the tolerance all of you keep talking about? Or do you only tolerate those who believe as you do? Is that fair?

    Dianna Castillo

    Just for the record, Mr. Tracy. I mean no disrespect. I just believe that people shoulld be able to believe, or not believe what they want. If we want to put a Creche in our front yard at Christmas, so what? You can call me laughable all you want. I just don't believe the government has any business telling me what to teach my daughter, as long as she is learning the same basic skills they learn in a school. She is taught arithmetic, science, health, English, and all those things that they learn in a traditional school. The only difference is that she is not being taught from an atheist perspective. I also think that maybe some of you who oppose us, should meet our children, and see how they learn. Not to say there are no crazies who lock their children up. Yes, unfortunately , there are. The majority of us are not like that. I agree they should be tested, but I also think that if they score well on their testing, and most homeschoolers score high, that the government has no business butting in with what ever else we teach, meaning Bible.

    How much clearer can I make myself? I believe that all forms of indoctrination are undesirable and are at odds with critical thinking skills. I don't have any children, but I would not tell them that they should not believe in a God. I would tell them that here is what I think, here are what others think, and you are free to make up your own mind. Sharing one's faith is different from making faith essentially a requirement for that child. The former is fine – the latter I am against.

    Darwin's theory is a valid scientific theory in the biological sciences. Ideally, public schools do not indoctrinate (at least you have not provided any substantial evidence that this is the case), they teach. There is a difference. Teaching about Darwin's theory so that it is properly understood is not the same as demanding that students believe it. I would rather a student come to accept evolution by being persuaded by the evidence than simply because a teacher said s/he should.

    What you do with your private property is up to you – the examples that I gave all involved public property that is owned by everyone.

    Do I really need to repeat my point that I am not against homeschooling? Apparently so. I am not against homeschooling.

    Richard_Collins

    Dianna writes:
    Don't you tell your children there is no God?
    +++++

    Secular parents tell their children that some people believe in a god and others do not.. Then we say, you must investigate all the claims for yourself and come to a decision that suits you. Not a decision that suits mom or dad or others.

    Do you understand why this respects the right of the child and the indoctrination of children using mind control techniques is quite different?

    Richard_Collins

    You write:
    So you are saying that you believe we should not pass our faith on to our daughter?
    ++++++++

    I don't know where you are getting that. What we are saying is parents have no ethical right to force a particular religion on a child. The decision to follow or not follow a faith is only properly taken by an individual on their own behalf. If all you teach your daughter is your own private belief and she is never given the opportunity to examine other beliefs or even told that other people choose differently than you, then what possible chance does she have of reaching an unbiased choice when she is old enough to make a decision.

    You are making all kinds of wild unsubstantiated claims. Go back and read more carefully.

    Dianna Castillo

    Look, no matter what I say, you people will have some point to argue. My daughter, for your information, is well aware that there are people who don't believe in God. And she has been told that she is free to make that choice when she grows up. We aren't religious fanatics, as you might think. If you have children, and they know you don't believe in God, there is a huge possibility that your child will also be an atheist.

    Richard Writes:
    Secular parents tell their children that some people believe in a god and others do not.. Then we say, you must investigate all the claims for yourself and come to a decision that suits you. Not a decision that suits mom or dad or others.

    Since when can a six year old child investigate all the claims of the different religions? Families have been passing down their values since the beginning of time. Why do Christians bother you so much? Why does it concern you that we believe in God, and pass our family values, and morals down to our children? We are no threat to you. We are not a cult, and we do not try controlling the minds of our children. For you to say that is an insult.

    Dianna Castillo

    Mr. Tracy.
    No, you do not need to continue repeating yourself. I understand . I'm trying to help you understand the point of Christian homeschoolers. There are also atheist homeschoolers. None of us are complaining about what they teach, or how they teach it. You believe in science, we believe in creation. This is America, a country full of different people, different religions. In some public schools in California, my nephew attends the school, Muslims are allowed to read the koran, and have one hour for prayer. Yet the Christian Children are not allowed to say Jesus, Merry Christmas, wear a Cross, or read their Bible. I know this has nothing to do with atheists, but why is there such a bias? Why don't you complain about them? About the Creche, I will agree that government buildings should not display it, but Christian schools, and churches are Just that, nobody should complain when they put up the Creche. As I said, this is America, we have people here of all faiths. Why should one group be bullied, or any group for that matter? Why can't you just live with it like the rest of us? We know there are many who disagree with our faith, and that's fine. Live, and let live.

    Dianna Castillo

    I made an error in my wording, and yes we teach her about Christianity. She also knows there are people who worship a man called Allah, and Buddah, and all of those. Although there are some religious fanatics who do brainwash, not all of us do. The article mentioned Generation Joshua, and Patrick Henry College. That is one group, not all Christians are part of that. We are not all extremists. It says our children are being raised as rebellious, and ignorant, and goes as far as calling us warped. It calls us zealous parents, and calls our faith backward and debauched. So what this man wants is to raise a nation of atheists, not free thinking individuals.

    Nobody on here is making any specific claims about you or your family. You are the one who arrived already on the defensive for some reason. I don't know you nor do I know your daughter – consequently I have not made any criticism that was directly targeted at you yet you keep replying as if I have (i.e., that I somehow think you are a religious fanatic. Why would I immediately assume that?)

    You have now said, however, that "she has been told that she is free to make that choice when she grows up." Well, of course she will be. Who makes that choice until then? You? Why is she not free to make that choice now? Granted, a six year old is not mentally mature enough to contemplate the mysteries of the universe and existence. I am sure that she has other things on her mind. But children generally will believe what you want them to believe. There is a fine line between teaching and indoctrinating. It is not always easy to see.

    You seem to have a tendency to keep making the pertinent issue under discussion much broader than it actually is. On the issue of science, science is not something merely to be believed. Science compels consent through the force of its methodology and evidence. A child who is brought up to believe in creation is mostly likely (depending on the specifics of it) being taught bad science and missing out on what good science really is. And that is a shame.

    Elsewhere you wrote that "So what this man wants is to raise a nation of atheists, not free thinking individuals."

    We would like to think that any reasonable free thinking person will more than likely come to the conclusion of atheism as a natural extension of that free thinking. If someone doesn't, then so be it. At least that person will be better equipped to think critically about the world around him. Nobody here at least wants to force belief or non-belief on anyone.

    Dianna Castillo

    A child who is brought up to believe in creation is mostly likely (depending on the specifics of it) being taught bad science and missing out on what good science really is. And that is a shame.

    Good science according to who? Darwin theory is a theory. Science is not just Darwin , Mr. Tracy. There is much more to it than that. What is it specifically that offends atheists when we teach our children about Christianity, or creation? You are offended by the ten commandments on Government property, I agree that it should not be on government property. But it seems atheists are offended by it all together. What is so offensive? That it says Thou shalt not kill, steal, covet? Honor your father and mother? When we teach about Christianity, what is offensive? That we teach them to be kind to one another, help those in need, to honor and respect your elders, and love their country? Those are just a few things we teach them, and no, we do not pound their heads with it 24-7, as the article seems to imply. You say she should be able to make her choice now? Look, did your parents not pass their values to you? Will continue.

    Dianna Castillo

    (Mr. Tracy) But children generally will believe what you want them to believe. There is a fine line between teaching and indoctrinating. It is not always easy to see. Yes, they will, but are they not doing the same thing in the public schools? You find Christian based teaching offensive. I find teaching elementary school children about condoms, and sex very offensive. They are now teaching that filth since K-5. A kindergartener does not need to hear these things yet. Their minds are not mature enough to understand. I find it extremely offensive that they encourage young girls to have sex, and have an abortion if they get pregnant, and will go as far as taking them to the clinic to have it done without the consent of their parents. I think it's rediculous that they are now teaching kids to do math by cutting, and pasting, instead of doing real math, and learning how to work out the problems properly.

    Dianna Castillo

    Don't anyone tell me that's not true, my sister in law teaches public school, and is being told this is how she is to teach. Whole language instead of phonics, and learning to put the letter sounds together, memorizing words instead of learning to read them so they know how to pronounce them properly, and not learning that different letters in combination make different sounds, is laughable. Telling children to keep what they learn in class from their parents when they teach them about sex. and other issues is not right. Remember, I'm hearing this right out of the horses mouth, a public school teacher. She also did not believe in homeschool, until she brought her testing materials to test my daughter. My six year old out scored her fifth graders.

    Dianna Castillo

    Mr. Tracy, you say we are forcing our Christian values on our children, we are not forcing anything on them. We are merely passing along our morals, and family values. Just as the public school system teaches what they believe to be true. The only difference is that we believe differently. The fact that you are atheists does not offend me, I don't get angry when I see a Darwin bumper sticker, or a religious symbol from a religion that is different from mine. I don't teach my daughter to hate others if they believe differently. Yet the article says that we all teach that way. We are all being judged as radicals because of one group who are radicals. What about this tolerance you talk about ? I see no tolerance here, only tolerance for those who believe the same as you. My sister in law says their school does push atheism, and the other schools all over our state as well. So , to end this, you are saying we are offensive because we are trying to teach our children to be good, well mannered, honorable, and respectable citizens.

    Dianna Castillo

    If the public school system is so much better, then why are the majority of the children there so out of control? They are rude, disrespectful, they have no respect for authority, or their parents. The majority are foul mouthed, and make ugly sexual comments to the girls. I hear it all the time, I have a bus stop right by my house. And these are elementary students by the way. I have walked through our school here, and seen the students, and have personally met many of the teachers. There are no behaviors there that I would like my daughter to emmulate. They are literally shuffling the students along , and passing them to the next grade when they don't deserve to pass. This is not right. They are not allowed to give an F to a failing student, so it won't hur their self esteem. Ok, so let's tell them they are doing great, and not tell them they could do better, so that when it's time to go out and work for a living, they will be totally un prepared. They are unprepared for entrance exams for universities.

    Dianna Castillo

    My nephew graduated last year, he was a straight A, valedictorian. He went to take the entrance exams at several universities, and failed miserably. They said he failed mostly in math, and language areas. He was a straight A student, why is it that he failed? Why is it that my daughter tested, and got higher scores than my sister in laws fifth graders if homeschool parents are so incapable of providing a proper education? I apologize for being so long winded, I don't know why I feel the need to explain why I believe the way I do. I shouldn't have to. Nobody should be looked down on, and called backwards, and warped because they believe a certain way. We should all be able to believe, or not believe, without someone tearing you down. I think it's cruel to treat people that way. I didn't say you personally , Mr. Tracy, I am merely stating what was in the article. The majority of us are good people, and want our children to be kind, good hearted people too. I don't see where that is a problem.

    Dianna Castillo

    If you are an atheist, and you want to raise your children that way, you should be allowed to do so without any intervention from people who believe differently, and not by the government. The government has no business telling us what to teach our children, or telling us how to raise them. Christian Homeschooling is not abuse, as was implied. If our children grow up to be good , decent citizens, who cares how they were raised? We are not hiding our children from anyone, we are only trying to keep negative influences like bullies, drugs, teen sex, smoking, foul language, and other things away from them, for as long as is possible. We are their parents, and they are in our care, we are bound to defend, and proect them from any kind of harm., no matter what your religion, or non religion. Is that such a bad thing? Have any of you taken the time to go talk to homeschool parents? You might just learn we are not the monsters you think we are.

    Dianna Castillo

    There aim is to quietly infiltrate, hamper, frustrate and then dismantle the government of the United States and establish a theocracy according to Dominionist theology. Mr. Collins, this may be true for Patrick Henry College, that I don't know. This sounds more like a conspiracy theory.
    Parents must permit their children to be tested periodically on some kind of basic skills exam. Should home-schooled children repeatedly fail to make progress on this exam, relative to their public or private school peers, then a case could be made to compel school attendance. Well, we have nothing to hide, most of our children score very well on your tests. There are some who keep their children home, and teach them nothing, in that case, I totally agree with you. Don't judge us all by a few bad apples. Most of us are genuinely dedicated to properly educating our children. Honestly, I have met many public school teachers, and I cannot imagine how they even got the job. Not only were they foul mouthed, their grammar was atrocious. Mr. Collins, there is one huge difference between a homeschool parent, and a school teacher. We genuinely love our children, and will do everything in our power to ensure that they are properly educated.

    Dianna Castillo

    Once a child leaves the teacher, she could care less about what happens to that student, he or she is no longer her responsibility. A parent who is educating at home genuinely cares what becomes of her child, and wants them to grow up to be able to be a part of the rest of the world. All of us are not raising our children to be radicals. To say so is wrong on your part. For the moment at least, this is still a free country. Government has no business intervening unless our children are failing, or are being abused. Do you honestly believe we should we all be judged as radicals, persecuted because of those involved with Generation Joshua? How fair is that? Not fair at all.

    Richard_Collins

    You do not know about it Dianna because the people behind it don't want it known. Are you interested in learning what this is about? The issue is not about test scores, although this is important. The reason homeschools must be regulated is we have no way of telling who is legitimately teaching their children and who is using the absence of regulation to sequester and brain wash their children 24/7 with lies about American history, the physical world, and biology, to fit their warped framework of reality. Such people are a very real threat to our open society.

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    After you read that post come back and tell me what you think, thanks.

    Dianna Castillo

    Mr. Collins, what lies about American History? My daughters textbooks contain the same history as mine had, and I was public schooled. I never said our children should not be tested, so that it would be known who was teaching their children legitimately, I am in full agreement with that. Unfortunately, there are parents who don't teach their children at home, and use homeschool as an excuse to keep them home. For this reason, I am agreeing with you., no child should be denied an education. BUT. The government has no business forcing us to teach evolution because they believe it to be truth. If they do , then the one's forcing views is them. As long as we teach our children all the skills they need , and do it well, the fact that we teach creation shouldn't matter. Whether or not they believe in God will not make any difference when it is time to earn their living. It is their math, language, and other skills that will get them the job. Not their religious beliefs. The majority of homeschooled children are not unsocialized in any way. They are exposed to people of all colors, ages, and religions. So if they want to mandate testing, ok. I have nothing to hide.

    Dianna – I think that you are more interested in your rant than actually considering what I am saying (or at least separating me from the article in the post). I have said several times that I am not against homeschooling in principle. Indeed, I have no doubts that homeschooling can be extremely effective if done properly and with care. I am not arguing that the public school system is superior or without its own problems. That, too, has to be done properly and with care. I have never stated anywhere that I Find Christian teaching "offensive." This is about what makes for a strong education – not about what may or may not be personally offensive.

    Morals and values are one thing – dogmatism and false and/or misleading doctrines about science, history, etc. are something else entirely.

    Good science according to whom? How about the vast majority of professional scientists? A theory in science is a well established and robust set of explanations for a complex array of facts. Darwin's "theory" has been enormously successful in what it explains. But this is not just about evolution. To quote from a recent piece by Sam Harris:

    "The goal is not to get more Americans to merely accept the truth of evolution (or any other scientific theory); the goal is to get them to value the principles of reasoning and educated discourse that now make a belief in evolution obligatory. Doubt about evolution is merely a symptom of an underlying problem; the problem is faith itself—conviction without sufficient reason, hope mistaken for knowledge, bad ideas protected from good ones, good ideas occluded by bad ones, wishful thinking elevated to a principle of salvation, etc."

    In today's world where faith breeds needless conflicts we need now more than ever to ground our descendants in the firm principles of rational thinking. You are bringing up the importance of values. I agree, values are important, and one of those values is precisely this – the capacity to not fall into the intellectual trap of faith as an excuse for a lack of firm knowledge.

    Just to be clear: any sort of criticisms that might be leveled at homeschooling should not be taken as a hidden argument for the virtues of public schools, which obviously have many of their own unique and challenging problems. Nor should such criticisms be misconstrued as an argument that homeschooling is somehow inherently inferior to other forms of schooling, which I don't think it is.

    Dianna Castillo

    Mr. Collins,
    I tried following your link, but it said the page was no longer there, so I'm sorry, I was not able to read what you posted.
    Dianna

    Dianna Castillo

    Mr. Tracy,
    There is a saying among Christians. For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who do not, no explanation is possible. I'll leave it at that.

    Dianna Castillo

    The goal is not to get more Americans to merely accept the truth of evolution (or any other scientific theory); the goal is to get them to value the principles of reasoning and educated discourse that now make a belief in evolution obligatory.

    Ok, so in other words you think we should be forced to believe in evolution? We cannot be forced to believe in evolution any more than you can be forced to believe in God. Nobody should be "obliged" (forced) to believe anything that we don't agree with . Not me, and not you. I don't consider you, or any atheist a radical, or backward, dilusional, or warped for what you believe. I don't believe I should be considered any of those things for believing as I do. I disagree with you, but I respect your decision not to believe. It seems as though that is not the case for me, and all other Christians, and it's very sad. We are slowly losing our rights in this country, because we believe there is a God. Call it what you want, I call it religious persecution.

    Richard_Collins

    Dianna, I don't think this discussion is productive so it is best to end it here. I am shutting off further comments. Good luck to you, I wish you well, but I cannot in anyway reconcile your goals for children with my own. In fact I don't believe any kind of compromise or mutual understanding is going to come out of this effort.

    Good science according to whom? How about the vast majority of professional scientists? A theory in science is a well established and robust set of explanations for a complex array of facts. Darwin's "theory" has been enormously successful in what it explains. But this is not just about evolution. To quote from a recent piece by Sam Harris:

    "The goal is not to get more Americans to merely accept the truth of evolution (or any other scientific theory); the goal is to get them to value the principles of reasoning and educated discourse that now make a belief in evolution obligatory. Doubt about evolution is merely a symptom of an underlying problem; the problem is faith itself—conviction without sufficient reason, hope mistaken for knowledge, bad ideas protected from good ones, good ideas occluded by bad ones, wishful thinking elevated to a principle of salvation, etc."

    In today's world where faith breeds needless conflicts we need now more than ever to ground our descendants in the firm principles of rational thinking. You are bringing up the importance of values. I agree, values are important, and one of those values is precisely this – the capacity to not fall into the intellectual trap of faith as an excuse for a lack of firm knowledge.

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